That would be no use to googleing public, because unless they're registered members they can't read the content.

Its been a brilliant thread...the AF stuff is very topical, in fact that has made the thread, and I have enjoyed all the input.......and its been very educational too! Cheers Daz!

Now, what would be really interesting, as Kev (and you and Paul) are getting a copy of my map, is, if Kev comes up with some AF figures for my new map, (which will have a serviced AF meter on the Dyno,) we can compare them.

I know that Kev is reading his figures from the header (more accurate), whereas mine will be read from the silencer, but it would be interesting to see the difference. I bet there will be differences.

My bike has been on the dyno with these mods, so I know exactly where my bike produces the most HP & Torque, my wide band commander reads almost identical A/F ratio to the dyno I use, so I have no worries with my bike at all.

I have just about covered every mod on the dyno & know these bike pretty well to what they like, your bike & dyno runs are the only one that stands out from the crowd, hopefully it will get sorted this time.

When are going to the next stage +2mm throttle body, big bore kit, high lift cam or stroker crank. That's when this subject starts to rev up things. I will be busy working on different cam set ups next week which will shed more light to new grounds.

That's an exciting project Kev: cams.

Will be very interesting to see what you find.

Do you have a Vernier pulley or similar adjustment, so its easier to dial in?

I will be manually degreeing a cam to find a good balance in the RPM range. I know exactly how the standard & stage 1 hot cams behave, I now need a new project to keep myself occupied, I should have my new cam to test from the USA next week.

Is this for your present bike, like mine, or for your 700cc? Or both!!

Well thats a bummer!
I thought googlers can see this stuff, I guess not!

Their loss, should join and support to be honest :beer[1]:

I really need to get modding again, just a case of money and time. I want to be riding the bike rather than being off the road cause of mods.
Need to progress DIY Stage 3 and then possibly have a play with cams. But theres also aethetics like Tail tidy, crash bungs, water cooler etc, I would like too.

Big bores aren't of much interest to me at the moment unless I can get a direct bolt on no messing around kit for it which I doubt is available.

09 XTX 660cc, same mods as you have.

Out of the thousands of XT forum members their is only a hand full of us engine moding adventures.

[quote=dazmatic;135350]Well thats a bummer!
But theres also aethetics like Tail tidy, crash bungs, water cooler etc, I would like too.

Daz...whats the big deal with the water cooler.....you want it running hot not cool.......

I would consider:

Big Valve Head
Ported Head (HAS to be done by someone who knows)
Big Bore
Camshaft

[quote=richardsracingmad;135352] Well, for a start it looks the tits!

Secondly, you dont want a hot engine as a hot engine can burn out valves, melt pistons etc. All the water cooler does is add extra surface area to the water system and allows the heat to be blown off by ambient air.

Like adding a small radiator. All in all just aids heat transfer.

Glad they're going to sort it for you. I said it was the Air/fuel pump needed servicing didn't I. I used to service mine every 6 months, sometimes sooner if I'd had a lot of classics on the dyno.

Simon
Powertech

Hi Simon...a BIG thank you for using your personal contacts at Dynojet, to "chase up" my query with the AF Readings.:applause::applause::applause:

Richard at Dynojet called me soon after I spoke to you (even though Reception said he was on the Dyno all day, and he would call me later). Well, you were right Simon (and Kev too), thank you for helping me out.

By the way, I did thank Powertech in the "Praise or Shame " area of the forum. I'm very grateful, thank you Simon. (See The Market Place, Praise or Shame, Hall of Fame, Powertech Dynojet dealer.)

And thank you for the Power Commander, it was the best price out of all of them, and a great bit of kit too. (Simon from Powertech USED to own The Carbon Cans Company, CCC. He sold it a while ago, and has nothing to do with them now. But he is getting a new range of exhausts underway...)

Yes Simon is a top bloke, and we know all about CCC and that he was the original founder until he sold it to someone who couldn't run a bath, let alone an exhaust company. It was after all my recommendation to you to get in touch with Simon for the Power Commander. Best prices in UK and a great service follow up.

Can Simon get the LCD 200 cheap? ;)

He was by far the cheapest for the Power Commander.... try him on

Powertech, Simon Cope 01253891087

Why don't you ask him?:typing[1]:

aye!
It's certainly worth the thought.
But currently, I unfortunately can't afford something like that at the mo.

Can just sit and window shop :smilies0119:

Update..

My bike is going back in for a Dyno in about 3 weeks time, meanwhile I am running my original map, and my bike is going really well.

I am on a 5HP/6LBS FT gain at the moment.....so if anyone is wondering, yes that makes a great and very noticeable difference, (i even squeezed my knees against the tank when i gave it some full throttle the other day!!) and I will be really pleased if I get any more gains when the Dyno is back in action.

So, I am really pleased with my Conversion so far...I did think a Standard bike was a bit slow, but it had a nice broad, soft power curve to it. Now, its just the same nice curve, just alot higher than standard! Very nice and rideable, with the pull !! Oh, and miniscule surging now!! Result.

I am looking forward to seeing how Kev gets on with his Camshaft project, but I wouldn't want to change my power curve too much...

My cam arrived today from the USA.

I am away in Sydney for Thursday & Friday for work, so hopefully Saturday I will fit it & see what happens.

UPDATE

I am sorry that there has been a very long gap time-wise, and no conclusion to this thread, yet. I will now try and rectify that.

Basically, to recap, I started with a Standard 2008 XTR, then fitted Carbon Cans, a Power Commander, and a DNA Stage 3 Airbox. I had several dyno's, but the Dyno I used had faulty equipment, (AF Meter), which meant my bike did not get tuned properly.

My tip for anyone getting a Dyno is always ask them if they have recently serviced/calibrated their AF Meter.
According to Dynojet, this AF meter should be serviced every 6 months.

When I tried to get the bike (re-)booked back in, the guy who does the Dyno was away quite alot, but the Boss said he would try and do it for me.

I haven't mentioned the name of this Dyno on this thread, as they have been willing to try and resolve the issue. And I am not giving them the opportunity to do it.

So, I have just got fed up/lost faith in that Dyno....and will shortly be Dyno'ing the bike elsewhere.

Unfortunately, this means we will not get an accurate "gain", as I will have used two different dynos. We will not be getting a fully optimised result either.(as all the tuning has been done with faulty equipment) Kev was keen for it to all be done on the same dyno, for a true "before" and "after" comparison.

So, I am a bit upset this cost me �180 and did not end the way I intended, but on the otherhand this thread has had some very interesting points and input.


Understandably, I haven't been that keen to pay another Dyno to do it either, until now that is, as I need to get a benchmark Dyno for my new mods. And after this benchmark Dyno, I will fit my new mods, and get my bike Custom Mapped. (and I don't trust the Dyno I have been using to do that!)

So this benchmark Dyno for my DNA Stage 3 Airbox will not be a fully optimised tune. I am only getting a "Power Run", not a "Custom Map".
It is a waste of more money to get it Custom Mapped, as my new mods, when fitted, have altered the state of tuning (new camshaft etc.)

The Dyno I will be using is brand new, as the Company I am using have just moved-in to a new location.


I am going to use one of Kev's maps, (thank you), and I hope that the results of the Dyno should be "near enough".
BUT, we have seen from this thread, that even if the AF is out by 0.7, it alters it 2hp!!!!!

I have changed my fuel back to 95 ron, as that is what Kev used for his map.
However, the climate in Australia is alot hotter than this country, and the mixes for 95 ron fuel vary country to country.

If Kev (?) could post a Standard XT dyno graph on this thread, when I have had a successful dyno, then there be a visual comparison for everyone to see.

I love my DNA Airbox, and if you are toying with getting one, just do it.

More very soon....just waiting to get a booking sorted.

That sucks, sorry to hear it :(
I did my own 'dyno' tuning on the TL with the DJ Wibeband Commander ... but I only know that it runs smoother :) not how much the power changed ...

Dyno Results
 

Here is my first dyno BASE RUN, a Standard XTR, but fitted with a Power Commander only, this is the result of the map supplied by Dynojet, that Simon of Powertech loaded on to my PC111. No AF settings were altered.

MAX POWER 42.80 MAX TORQUE 40.57

http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/a...ynoresults.jpg


This is my bike, dyno'd yesterday at HM Racing, fitted with DNA Stage 3 Airbox, Carbon Cans, PC111, Kev's O2 Sensor Mod. Here I am using a map that Kev sent with the O2 Sensor Mod. This map could probably be fine-tuned, but I am now using this dyno run as a BASE RUN for my new mods, so this is how it is, not fully optimised I know, but a cracking result to boot.

MAX POWER 49.83 MAX TORQUE 47.84 ....a 7 hp gain, and a 7ft/lbs torque gain

http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/a...ynoresults.jpg

and here is another run, taken all through the gears, against Speed.

http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/a...oresults-1.jpg

Looks good to me.. although i know very little about Dyno stuff.

Well the bike does feel alot more powerful, and nicer.

The trouble with these two dyno's is 1. they were not done on the same dyno, and 2.....the correction factor on the dyno. (see the top right corner of each dyno sheet, where it says "CF".)

I don't know how many correction factors there are, but basically, one correction factor is UNCORRECTED- meaning that air temperature and humidity are as they are on the day.

On the first sheet, the CF is SAE
On my second and third sheet, the CF is DIN

Normally, if you were using the same dyno, they can make allowances between power runs taken at different ambient temperatures.

So say that you did a dyno in winter, where normally your bike should run a little better because of the colder air, you would be able to compare a dyno run that you did in the peak of the Summer, by using a Correction Factor. (so that the numbers are adjusted ON BOTH YOUR DYNO SESSIONS, to an ambient temperature of say 20 deg. C.)


Not sure if I explained that well enough, but that's the best I can do!

MAkes sense mate yeah

A nice little increase just dont total up all the cost of the mods to achieve it! As you say I bet it feels a load better to ride though and that is all that matters.

TBH, I just added a PCIII to my 100% stock bike and it is superb, yours must feel great. Can you wheelie on the throttle in second or third with these mods? Not that I condone such actions unless "off road" on "private land".

It does feel much better than if you just look at the figures...7 hp doesn't seem alot. But, it totally changes the bike.

DNA Airbox was �360, PC111 was cheap off Powertech (I can't remember,maybe�225- �250??), Cans �350, First dyno run and custom mapping (which was no good) �180, and O2 Sensor Mod �57 delivered. TOTAL �1172.

So, if you just want the performance, and to do it cheaper, forget the Cans- I say, because the Airbox really is good, and makes the most power out of all, ..... Or, get the Cans, and DNA Stage 1&2.
But you do need a Power Commander, and really a Custom Map to get the best out of it. And an O2 Mod (if your bike is post 2007).

Or get second hand cans and PC111, and you will have to buy the Airbox and O2 Mod new, as those cannot be found second-hand.......

Got my xtr done at Pro Cycle Dyno in Slacks Creek just south of Brisbane. Really good guys.

The Green Line is the run when I got there already had Staintune slip ons (baffles in).

The red line is the addition of DNA Stage 1 & 2 Air Filters - +2.94HP (kinda keen to try the stage 3 after reading this thread!)

The blue line is the addition of the PCV and final map - +.87HP

Total from Air filters and PCV - +3.81HP

Total HP - 47.75
Max Torque - 45.74

Mods at blue line were staintune slips on, DNA 1&2, PCV with custom map.

I had Michelin T-63 Knobby tires on the bike - thats said to reduce the reading by a few HP.

The bike with all these Mods is like a new bike. Totally rips on the road, even with the knobbies. Money well spent!!!

Nice one mate, the Dyno shop is 10 min from my house.

Looks like you would be around 52HP with road tyres.

Do you know the guys over there? Fred worked at Serco for years training people to use Dyno's. Champion bloke as is Ben. Def best bike shop Ive dealt with (not that I have dealt with many).

Im putting the original tourances back on this weekend. Interested to see if there will be a noticeable difference.

I'm still so amazed at how it just transformed the bike into a monster haha


Cheers,
-Brad.

There is nothing like a Dyno tune, you get the best results from doing one.

Fred knows me well, he did all the Dyno tuning for the DNA stage 3 air box on my XTX for DNA when he worked at Serco, he also did my big bore runs & so on.

I now use Power House in Nerang, I have been using them for a while now, Steve the owner gives me a good price & does not mind me testing all the different mods which takes a lot of dyno time. I will be back on the dyno in 3 weeks time, I have some new KTM mods to test. I have been on the Dyno 8 times in the last 6 months.

Latest mod been tested, home made Dual Velocity stacks.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...evxtx/c-10.jpg

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa202/kevxtx/e-6.jpg

My seat of the pants dyno tells me around 50hp with above and Kevs fuel mod,of course what no dyno will tell is how much quicker you get it,which I have found over the years has as much to do with it as the final number.

I'm agonising over a 690SMC but a clear cut decision it most def ain't!!!

10hp more V a dead cert!!