660r or 660z Tenere??????? - .: XT660.com

Cypress · # 1 22-10-14, 23:23

HI guys!

I need your expert xt660 owners' advice!
Im super excited! Im back aching to ride again. 10 years ago they stole my beloved xt600e out my yard (sad) but now the bike bug has bitten me again. Hard. Im looking to buy a second hand 660r or 660 Tenere. Ill mostly be doig road with a good helping of dirt roads, not so much pure off-roading. I am looking for a bike that has a high(er) cruising speed first of all. That is my biggest criteria. HELP!!!!!!

1) Ive heard that the Tenere has a cruising speed of around 120km\h. Is that correct, and can the bike do that all day long? Is it possible to tune the R to cruise like that too?

2) Why is the Tenere 30kg heavier and how does that make a difference on the road and light trails? Does fitting a single pipe make a noticeable weight difference?

3) Is it worth it to mod an R to make it a "Tenere"?

4) Which one is lighter on fuel?

Thanks for your advice!!!!

****BTW Im also looking at a second hand KTM 950 Adventure for the same price but I dont know KTM that well and Im also worried about how expensive its parts may be...

mb4807 · # 2 23-10-14, 01:01

From what you say, I'd say you might prefer the Z rather than the R. It has more wind protection, a little more road presence and will be the better road bike for the high-ish speeds you say you want to do, which it will do happily all day long.

The R version is smaller, lighter and more agile and that comes in to its own off road and is more playful. You can throw it down in to corners more easily. But the Z will do the same terrain and in some ways is slightly more off road ready out of the crate, but I'd not worry about that too much.

On both bikes a single can will save a tonne of weight (not literally of course), and when combined with the Kev mods and a decent air filter, will transform the bike.

I went for the Z. My friend went for the R. We just did a 1300km trip together on road and off and both bikes did brilliantly. I wouldn't swap from mine, but neither would he from his. I'm almost 6 foot tall and came from a GS1200 and wanted a bike with road presence and touring capability and was happy to accept more weight and a little less agility off road for that. He is shorter and wanted to focus more on lower seat height, lower weight and the ability to ride more aggressively off road. (He's an ex national level moto x racer, so has lots of ability to ride hard and fast off road.)

I hope that helps...?

Cypress · # 3 23-10-14, 02:12

Hi Mb

Thanks. I do have my heart set on the Z as I want something different from the xt600e\xtr "feel" too, but I can be persuaded. A few more questions though.....

1) Is it true that the Ten vibrates like crazy at higher speeds? I have also heard that buffeting happens often on the Z.

2) Which one is easier to maintain?

3) And quite importantly, how is the Z's seat?

4) Lastly, since Ill be buying second hand what is the "highest" km's on the clock thats still worthwhile to buy? There are a few 25000km, 30000km and 40000km and even 56000km, all still in good shape exterior wise.....

mb4807 · # 4 23-10-14, 03:24

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Originally Posted by Cypress

Hi Mb

Thanks. I do have my heart set on the Z as I want something different from the xt600e\xtr "feel" too, but I can be persuaded. A few more questions though.....

1) Is it true that the Ten vibrates like crazy at higher speeds? I have also heard that buffeting happens often on the Z.

Answer - I don't find vibes to be an issue at all. It's a big single, so there will be some of course, but I run metal foot pegs without the rubber inserts and have only small bar end weoghts and vibration is not an issue for me.

Turbulence is a much debated issue and depends on many factors. Again, I don't have a particular problem with it, but some people do, and there are a number of potential fixes and workarounds on this site for you to consider. Use the search function to find more info.

2) Which one is easier to maintain? Answer - Both the same I would say. The R version has less bodywork, so is a bit easier to get at stuff, but maintenance on both is simple. Don't let that worry you.

3) And quite importantly, how is the Z's seat? Answer - initially I wasn't that keen on the step and the fact it holds the rider more or less in one place. True, you can move about more on the flatter seat of the R, but actually, the Z is pretty comfortable. As I say, initially I thought it might be a problem, but as it turns out, it's fine and the bike is all-day comfortable for me. Not as comfy as a GS1200, but perfectly acceptable.

4) Lastly, since Ill be buying second hand what is the "highest" km's on the clock thats still worthwhile to buy? There are a few 25000km, 30000km and 40000km and even 56000km, all still in good shape exterior wise.....

Answer - I'd buy the newest, lowest km bike you can, but none of the kms you list will be a particular problem. I have a 2009 Z with 16,000km and a friend has a 2009 Z with 30,000km + and his bike is no better or worse than mine. Just look for good service history, as you would with any second hand bike.

I've had lots of bikes over a 20+ year motorcycling career, and even having just come from an all singing, all dancing BMW with all the extras, the XTZ is one of the most fun bikes I've ever had. Try and get a test ride if you can and budget some money for the Kev mods.

Cypress · # 5 23-10-14, 03:57

Good stuff,

The bikes Im looking at all have stock everything really (dealer bikes). Is a better exhaust or better front suspension the priority?

I also checked out the BMW 650G. You didnt like it as a BM fan?? Says something about the Z Tenere....

Also, what do you know about the KTM 950\990 other than that they are faster and heavier

?

Petenz · # 6 23-10-14, 07:04

I went for the XTR mainly being lighter & carrying it's
weight lower... less destructable...
By the time yer fuel the XTZ add a bit of gear you
have near a 1/4 tonne dirt bike to toss around..
The XTR is not a lot lighter but it carrys it's weight
lower so it dose feel a lot lighter than the 30 odd kgs..
Yamaha make a good high screen for the XTR..

ChrisHX · # 7 23-10-14, 09:07

Just moved from an 1150GS and 600 Transalp to XTZ. I was surprised at how comfortable the seat was especially after the German armchair! Also rode home after buying it (2009 one) partly on motorways which I thought might be a struggle but it was very happy at 120Kmh+ only bit more susceptible to side winds than the other two bikes. I looked at the 650 Beemers (F, G and Dakar/Sertao) but didn't do it for me this time. I had an F650 some years back, no problems with fuelling etc. great engine much less vibration than Tenere but too low ground clearance and the Dakar/Sertao are a bit weird ;-)

CaptMoto · # 8 23-10-14, 12:59

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Pleiades · # 9 23-10-14, 15:58

Welcome on board mate.

Cypress · # 10 24-10-14, 03:09

Everybody, thanks for your advice, this is the stuff Im after. Real owner insights.

Petenz, I could go for the R anytime too. I take it you go off-road quite a bit? Good point about the weight, especially on dirt, gravel roads and rocky hills.

ChrisHx, "much less vibration than Tenere". That's what I was afraid of. My xt600e could vibrate a bit at high speeds and I didnt like it, hence. Isnt it better to just remove the windscreen off the Tenere to eliminate the turbulence?? Better exhaust or front suspension though?

Captmoto and Pleiades, THANKS I feel welcome and home already! Great site!

Pepsi, nice bike! Are the KTM parts affordable? I imagine they are much more expensive than the Tenere and Im always on a budget.

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