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"How to wheelie" video
Nice demonstration,check it out
http://youtube.com/watch?v=c91Bjqnsl-k
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However - what i don't get is how the hell you wheelie the xt. I've owned other bikes in the past (bandits/fazers etc) and have always managed a decent wheelie...but no matter how hard i try i just can't seem to do it on the xt. I don't know if its the riding position or less torque but it just aint happening for me...any tips from anyone? |
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Cheers guys...i'll keep persisting...next up will be 'how do i powerslide?'...:evil6:
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TooTall...am a wheelie buff... but ave tried a few times wi ma XTR but it does come up but it needs a good handfu befiore it`ll do it.... am gonna go fur a 14 tooth sprock...that`l make all the difference....a have only 300 mile on ma bike its got pipes an filters... but ave had plenty 650 trailies which wid eat this thing in wheelies... but a hopin a need ma engine tae slacken off..... sit a wee bit further back than normal riding postion.... 2nd gear...roll on... slip the clutch an a big handfu.... an hopefully ye`ll be seein fresh air... mind that back brake....keep it covered at all times...I try but a dont always cover it.... ma last outin on ma old xl500R cost me 4 months when a flipped it...that wis 30 months ago....a now have a we limp...an its jist not right.....John
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A wee pic tae urge ye tae cover that back brake
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ouch...jeez John i can see why you'd be out for 4 months with that...anyway cheers for advice and yes - i'll be covering that back brake...and praying...lol :eusa_pray:
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John,
I was going to ask you about 2nd gear mingers, I read you wheelie 'resume' in another post, so you seem to be the man for advice on that sort of thing. 1st gear wheelies on the XTX are not a problem and are a source of great enjoyment from every set of lights, but its all over too quick, usually by the other side of the lights I've hit the rev limiter. I'd consider a clutchless gear change, except for the fact that it cost me $2000 to replace a few gears on an R6 - farked from a years worth of clutchless gear changes while wheelying... don't want to go there again with Yammy gear boxes. I've nearly totally shagged my XTXs chain trying to work out 2nd gear wheelies using the idea that wheelies are supposed to be based on torque, not valve bouncing revs... I just can't work it out - I've tried launching it from a few revs, up to "a lot",but obviously not 'enough'... and if 'enough' is any more than the most I've tried so far, IMHO its too risky... So you're saying that unless you thrash the nuts off it, a stock XTX is not going to come up in second anway? (at least not without a rish of putting a foot peg through you foot)... Mic. |
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Here are some old photos of me in my young days, I was obsessed with wheelies. Want to wheelie, first step learn the back brake, that's your life saver. Wheeling has nothing to do with balance, it's being in total control. It's all about throttle & brake control as soon as the front wheel leaves the ground. You need to first need to learn the rear brake, to do this you need to train you mind when to push the rear brake. As most riders take their feet off the pegs as soon as the front wheel gets to high. Fit a 14 tooth sprocket for training. You first need to pop the clutch in 2nd gear at low RPM & hit the rear brake as soon as it gets up. After a few hours your mine will know that the brake will save you. You must repeat this process over & over getting the bike higher & higher, until the front wheel is well over your head. If you battle to push the rear brake, try riding the brake a little when popping the front wheel up, or adjust the rear brake pedal up. Do not let the motor rev out, you must save the bike with the rear brake, just shoot it up, brake & straight down, that all you need to do for now. That's how I learn't Then once you are sure your foot will save you, shoot the bike & this time add a little blip of throttle & over time you will get the action, throttle brake, throttle brake. For a smooth wheelie you would be applying brake pressure all the time against the throttle, I.E. riding the rear brake as well as accelerating. I will never wheelie a bike if it does not have a good rear brake |
Kev the wheelie god, nice one, good advice, but what about suitable clothing, its a bit cold here at the moment for shorts!!!!!!:002: :002: :002:
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Kev. is that an auld xl500s in one of those pics.... the best bike ave ever had fur wheelieing was a xl500R very easy tae come up...a kin do wheelies but am having a terrible time wi this xt660R it wont come up easy...ye need tae persist an gie it masses o throttle tryin tae get it it up ib 2nd slippin the clutch.....:icon_scoot[1]:
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This is the best ive seen XTX's doing wheelies no doubt
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/xtx/video/163332 |
After watching the above wheelies, what gear do you reckon the guys were in when they lifted them and it sounded like they changed gears in a couple of the wheelies?
What was that about covering the back brake, they had their feet on the seat half the time?! I would definitely keep the back brake covered, but I am no wheelie expert, only lifted the front a few times and never for any amount of time! Z |
I think it was first gear on a few of them.
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John the old red bike is a 1980 XT500, with a 20L fuel tank. The XT660 is very heavy in the front end & is a hard bike to learn to wheelie as you have to bounce up the front end in 2nd as well as alot of throttle. Once it is up it wants to fall side ways because of being front heavy & with the small XTX front wheel there is not much gyro effect for a really long wheelie. The XTR would be better with the 21" wheel as the wheel is bigger & has more gyro effect for steering while wheeling. Next time I go out riding with my mates I will post some photos of the XT660 wheeling. |
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Thanks for that. When you say pop the clutch at low RPM, are we talking say around 20kph in 2nd? Now, when we get to the "blip" part... what magniture of blipping are we talking about? Assuming I get the back-brake technique right - we are still talking about nailing it in second then? And then are we dumping, slipping or just quickly-but-smoothly releasing the clutch? Mic |
What I do is get the revs just in the torque range around the 3500rpm mark. Compress the front end down by pushing forward & then pull back hard at the same time slipping the clutch under full power, don't for get to cover the brake. As it starts to lift I start easing off the power, once 3/4 the way up I am already on the brake applying pressure, if I did not accelerate again the brake would bring the bike straight down. To control the wheelie I shift to 3 after 2 or 3 blips of the throttle, this slow everything down. I then have control of the wheelie so I am using less power & less brakes with very little speed increase. If you have a great speed increase you are not at the correct height. What you want to learn is where the balance point is, so get two friends to lift the front end of your bike into a wheelie, both your mates holding each fork leg, with you on it pushing the rear brake as hard as you can, with both of your feet on the pegs in the wheelie position. What you will find there is a Zone, the zone is about 45 degrees. Get them to raise & lower the bike from the balance point, that's where the bike will not fall forwards or backwards. Forwards to the point where the bike can't be held as it just want's to fall forward. This 45 degree angle is where you have control & want to wheelie in. |
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do you think that this pictures are appropriate for xt660com?!I sympathize with everyone who had an accident but I think that this is too much.:eusa_hand: |
Domino, tae asnswer yer question.....I think this is EXACTLY what the sarter needs to know what can happen IF YOU DONT COVER THAT BACK BRAKE...I can do wheelies, real long an work my way to 4th or even top on occasion...an this happened to me, I remember it clear as day...I was in second an clicked into third too quick, an wasnt in my Relax/balance point yet , I struggle to keep the brake covered, as my feet are on the edge of the foot rests, then when a get tae the floating point then I remember an cover th eback brake...on this occassion I wasnt floating yet, intae 3rd too quick an in a millisecond the bike was flipping, with my left ankle caught under it.... I was going too slow....if I had a bit of speed, the bike would have went from me clear....an thos jist goes to show that the experianced can get caught out....1st gear wheelies are too fierce... they come up too quick, an ye tenmd to rev out an usually flip the bike. 2nd is better....then when in 3rd you can relax, when it floats...then ye can move yerself around the seat, you can look between the forks...or from the side, if ye can still see over the bars ....YER NOT HIGH ENOUGH to where the balance point is....I did 1st gear wheelies for around a year, an thought a wis a wheelie king reving out.... till the time came an got it up in 2nd....an as KEV said, after a few blips on the gas, clutchless click tae 3rd. an ye could sit there all day....if these pictures offend you....am sorry, but they might save someone elses life, who thinks anyone can do this....Ive wheelied an slipped off the back, hold ing onto the bars, an buffed ma knees to the BONE an I kid not, I hit a lamppost once...I broke my left shoulder 3 years ago, ave blew 2 dominator engines with too much wheelies actually Roasted them... an am talkin 3 nights a week 4/5 hours a nite constant wheelie practise....a once fell off the back an ran after the bike holdin on to the bars only tae let go an see it carrer down the centre of the road hitting Cars...an ave also overtaken Cars at speed doin it right....but a kid not... be prepared fur a few spills...it doesnt happen over nite.....Mabozzar
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As i started the topic i feel slightly responsible if people have been offended...so sorry to those who have. ...however my original question (about how best to wheelie THIS PARTICULAR BIKE) has been answered by several people so thanks to all that have contributed and maybe we should draw a line under it there. :icon_thumright: |
I just rev it with the clutch in then let it go, usually do this (not often) in 1st or 2nd gear then hold it up thru the gears .With the XT front being so solid a tug on the bars just using power will do it also.But the XT really needs another 10-15 HP to make it easy like on my Husaberg 600E.That thing wheelies standing still.
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The way i do it is like in 3rd gear, then jump up on the seat.
Close the throttle and then slam it open and up she comes! Then just find the balancing point and have fun for as long as u can keep the wheely up. http://leonxtx.hyves.nl/fotos/67189647/0/1TL3/ Like this is the most easy way for me as i can keep it up for several kilometers, as for a simple sitdown wheely just pop the cluth in 2nd gear at 35 km/h and go trhough the gears 3, 4, 5 and have fun. Greetz Luny |
nae wonder they call ye XTX Lunatic....ave been doin wheelies fur years an am still not at that stage...ye must be a lunatic right enough tae be doin that.....Ma pal does it but one foot on the back rack the other on the back brake......ye need tae or else....
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I am having great trouble wheelieing my XTX, I have read what everyone has been saying about covering the back brake but when i do i find my foot keeps falling off the pedal which leads to all sorts of wobbles. If I ignore the back brake it seems to be much easier and if I want the front to come down the engine braking seems to do this for me. I know this is not good wheelie pratice but its the only way i can seem to get it to work. Doing them off the clutch scares the crap out of me. What gear should you be in for clutch ones and how fast should you be going?
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This is 8 months on since ma trys on m xt trying tae do wheelies///an a`l tell ye a think the XT is the best out there fur doin wheelies a read in some earlier posts guys syin if they only had another 100brake theyd be ok....balony....ye kin wheelie on something at 4 brake ...I`m now runnin an 04 xtx wi standard pipes an stage 1 an 2 filters and standard 15 sprockets...ave done 5th gear wheelies just last weekend....fae 1st from standing start then 2,3,4,5...but guys thats easy said,,, ye need practise fur that....John/Mabozzar
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Just been checkin out this wheelie page and found this on how to wheelie a supermoto.
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearc...lie&emb=0&aq=o# |
I find the easiest way to wheelie my R is at about 10-18 mph 1st gear, bring in the clutch pop it and hit the accelerator at the same time. you have to do it in a nice smooth fast movement with a little bit of pump on the forks to help. if i can fidn the pictures and vids of me wheelieing ill post them up!
apperently you can wheelie nicely in 2nd gear about 25-30 mph, again pop the clutch and hit the accelerator. ive not mannaged this on mine yet but that might be because of the restrictor i have on it! grrrrr! you can power wheelie the xt in first just by pumping the forks and smashing open the throttle, but its quite scary doing that because the front end hops up so damn quick you S**t your pants! best thing to do is to use your clutch then your in control. if your getting too high then tap the back brake and that will bring you back down or simply ease off the throttle a little! dont just let it go cos u end up sat on the handlebars! lol anyways hope that helps! play safe!! x |
Hi chris,not about for awhile got aload of guzzi things on at moment but i will tell you whats scary doing a wheelie on moto guzzi griso you really have to go for it and the shaft sometimes rebels and you really do ---- your pants.
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I'm off work, not well.
well enough to practice me wheelies? No. So what better excuse to browse me favourite 660 site, and maybe watch abit of youtube, thanks. ..and although I will try not to fill this post with video links, this guy is having fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbyLVd_IuUI Apologies in advance, as I don't think this is an XT:002:, but some impressive motowheeliemadness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NVZrN4MPMs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTMg1RzVnuY I think he takes his foot off the rear brake for a second. lol Now I'm sure there's an XT in this one, somewhere, maybe. But one of my favourite clips. http://www.bikechannel.com/node/1399 |
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http://www.xt660.com/images/icons/icon14.gif think ill be singing "all i wanna do is take your money" for rest of day,what a crap but catchy tune
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what about these two dudes
http://www.youtube.com/v/aeUK6aOEJKo&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en& feature=player_embedded&fs=1%22%3E%3C/param%3E%3Cparam an these other two dudes.. wait tae the get out in the smaller roads
http://www.dailymotion.com:80/playlist/x7nqy_jpsv14_motos/video/x3s04q_1007-montee-ospedale_auto an that first guy messin wi the xt a few posts up in the first vid...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbyLVd_IuUI
he`s nearly as good as me........bug Can ye do wheelies.??..mabozzar |
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