.: XT660.com - The #1 XT660 Resource :.
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

.: XT660.com - The #1 XT660 Resource :. ( https://www.xt660.com/index.php)
-   XT660Z T�n�r� General Discussions ( https://www.xt660.com/forumdisplay.php?f=129)
-   -   XT660Z write up in this months BIKE magazine ( https://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=19953)

Posiden 26-11-12 18:48
XT660Z write up in this months BIKE magazine
 
This months bike has a fairly favourable write up of the XT660Z tenere.

uberthumper 26-11-12 20:15
Let me guess, they call it underpowered and complain that it doesn't handle like a sportsbike?

wide 26-11-12 22:11
They will also say its really tall and top heavy. Mind it is seemingly getting more popular to praise adv style bikes, sportsbike are a dying breed:team[1]:

jimmysimpson 27-11-12 20:56
It takes me where I want to go and that can be some weird places. A GS would be out of it's league. Ask Fiddich. lol

mash101 28-11-12 14:31
I just read (most) of the article, which was actually pretty good. The comparison is Suzuki V Strom, Triumph Tiger, Honda Transalp & the XT Ten. The Ten got a good write up, & came in joint first with the Transalp, based on this type of motorcycle. I realise this is statistically pointless though! It was described as 'light', 'Easy to handle, especially off-road...' etc. Basically described as one of the better dual-sport machines available.
I have subscribed to Bike for a while now, but find the magazine seems to get thinner every month. A sing of the times mirroring the entire motorcycle industry, perhaps??

Pleiades 28-11-12 20:31
It pains me to say it, but what they say about the Tenere is pretty damn accurate.

Woottonboy 29-11-12 09:34
what they said that
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pleiades (Post 181367)
It pains me to say it, but what they say about the Tenere is pretty damn accurate.
Your spokes will be a rusty mess within 6 months if they aren't polished daily?

RickM 29-11-12 10:57
Haven't read the article but it would be of more interest to me if the F800GS was included. That's the only other bike that to me (seems to) compare with the Tenere's ruggedness and fuel efficiency.

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 29-11-12 11:01
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickM (Post 181381)
Haven't read the article but it would be of more interest to me if the F800GS was included. That's the only other bike that to me (seems to) compare with the Tenere's ruggedness and fuel efficiency.
I agree, the Tiger... Transalp .. VStrom.. ?? they really are nothing like the Tenere, like each other yes.

Having both a Tiger and a Ten, I say they compliment each other. There is no way they are similar in ride, speed, delivery, ability they are all different.

Woottonboy 29-11-12 11:42
Why wouldn't you throw a
 
KTM 690 R into the mix?

A friend bought one and thinks its great.

uberthumper 29-11-12 13:09
Utterly different bike.

The 690 would come out great in a road test where the tester only rode it for a couple of hours. It's a good 50kg (25%) lighter, better suspension, 50% more power.

As a 'fun' bike, or something to use for UK rallies, etc, that assessment would be fairly accurate. I don't want to knock them as they are cracking bikes for that purpose. If I could justify having a bike purely for doing the rallies, then it would only be my dislike of "doing the obvious" that would stop that bike being a 690, because they really are in a class of their own as a "big bore enduro bike", particularly now the Husky TE630 has been discontinued.


Perfectly possible to turn one into a good travel bike as well, and there's plenty of people who have done trips on them that make everything I've ever done look like a trip to the shops. But in the same way I've spent a fair amount turning my Tenere into something that works for racing, you would spend a lot turning a 690 into something with decent fuel range, luggage capacity, and wind protection.

The point I'm slowly getting to is that in any group test involving the Tenere, it will probably come out badly, because I don't think there's anything genuinely comparable on the market as a stock bike. The ~800cc multi-cylinder bikes are much bulkier, much more powerful, and much more road oriented. The likes of the 690 are smaller, lighter, and off-road-racing oriented.

The closest things to a comparable bike to test it against IMO are the likes of the XTR and the G650 Beemers. Don't have the tank range or wind protection, but if the Tenere didn't exist and I was after something as a do-it-all bike for commuting, trail riding, travelling, or if I had to buy a new, stock bike and head straight off on an overland trip, it would be something like that.

Now it may be that the review in Bike managed to capture all this, and acknowledge why it's not like a V-Strom or a Tiger - the people that have actually read it have said it's fairly complimentary.

mash101 29-11-12 16:12
Spokes on my X are rusting pretty bad on front wheel. I would have been more than happy to have paid the extra for proper stainless spokes in the first place - I regularly coat them with ACF 50 & hardly ride in the wet.

SingleMinded 29-11-12 17:51
Quote:
Originally Posted by uberthumper (Post 181384)
Utterly different bike.

The 690 would come out great in a road test where the tester only rode it for a couple of hours. It's a good 50kg (25%) lighter, better suspension, 50% more power.

As a 'fun' bike, or something to use for UK rallies, etc, that assessment would be fairly accurate. I don't want to knock them as they are cracking bikes for that purpose. If I could justify having a bike purely for doing the rallies, then it would only be my dislike of "doing the obvious" that would stop that bike being a 690, because they really are in a class of their own as a "big bore enduro bike", particularly now the Husky TE630 has been discontinued.


Perfectly possible to turn one into a good travel bike as well, and there's plenty of people who have done trips on them that make everything I've ever done look like a trip to the shops. But in the same way I've spent a fair amount turning my Tenere into something that works for racing, you would spend a lot turning a 690 into something with decent fuel range, luggage capacity, and wind protection.

The point I'm slowly getting to is that in any group test involving the Tenere, it will probably come out badly, because I don't think there's anything genuinely comparable on the market as a stock bike. The ~800cc multi-cylinder bikes are much bulkier, much more powerful, and much more road oriented. The likes of the 690 are smaller, lighter, and off-road-racing oriented.

The closest things to a comparable bike to test it against IMO are the likes of the XTR and the G650 Beemers. Don't have the tank range or wind protection, but if the Tenere didn't exist and I was after something as a do-it-all bike for commuting, trail riding, travelling, or if I had to buy a new, stock bike and head straight off on an overland trip, it would be something like that.

Now it may be that the review in Bike managed to capture all this, and acknowledge why it's not like a V-Strom or a Tiger - the people that have actually read it have said it's fairly complimentary.
http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/24.gif

... I'm on a 690 now after putting my old trustworthy Ten to all kinds of offroad abuse and since I'm using a big company Beemer for commuting purposes...

... but if I had to do it all with only one bike, I'd be back on a Tenere without a doubt.

Compared to the Ten, the 690 makes life off-road a whole lot easier!

HJ

Pleiades 29-11-12 19:28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keithblade (Post 181385)
All bikes spokes will rust if you dont know how to treat them so Bikes comment is total ******.
FYI Bike didn't actually say
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woottonboy (Post 181374)
Your spokes will be a rusty mess within 6 months if they aren't polished daily?
in the article (or mention anything about the Tenere's spokes) - only Wootonboy did! (and by the sound of it he hasn't read the article) ;)

Incidentally Keith, I'm with you 100% on the spoke care thing - My Z, like yours, doesn't have any sign of rust on the spokes after 4 years and 22K miles in all weathers.

jimmysimpson 29-11-12 21:06
My spokes have no rust and that's 20000 miles in 2 years and seldom sees a shed or a bucket of soapy water. I don't think the stainless spokes are that expensive so when next you change a tyre ?

steveD 29-11-12 22:01
Perhaps riding in the rain keeps the dust off the spokes which seems to promote rust / corrosion ?:icon_rolleyes:

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 29-11-12 22:18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pleiades (Post 181399)
Incidentally Keith, I'm with you 100% on the spoke care thing - My Z, like yours, doesn't have any sign of rust on the spokes
:happy:

I'll third that.

Mort 30-11-12 09:00
I have had most makes of bikes depends on how much you won't to spend on them and how much time you spend cleaning them,**** i just won't to ride mine i treat it like a Landrover get it muddy and wet leave in the corner until the next day.:tenere:

ScottyD 30-11-12 22:52
Quote:
Originally Posted by uberthumper (Post 181384)
Utterly different bike.

The 690 would come out great in a road test where the tester only rode it for a couple of hours. It's a good 50kg (25%) lighter, better suspension, 50% more power.

As a 'fun' bike, or something to use for UK rallies, etc, that assessment would be fairly accurate. I don't want to knock them as they are cracking bikes for that purpose. If I could justify having a bike purely for doing the rallies, then it would only be my dislike of "doing the obvious" that would stop that bike being a 690, because they really are in a class of their own as a "big bore enduro bike", particularly now the Husky TE630 has been discontinued.


Perfectly possible to turn one into a good travel bike as well, and there's plenty of people who have done trips on them that make everything I've ever done look like a trip to the shops. But in the same way I've spent a fair amount turning my Tenere into something that works for racing, you would spend a lot turning a 690 into something with decent fuel range, luggage capacity, and wind protection.

The point I'm slowly getting to is that in any group test involving the Tenere, it will probably come out badly, because I don't think there's anything genuinely comparable on the market as a stock bike. The ~800cc multi-cylinder bikes are much bulkier, much more powerful, and much more road oriented. The likes of the 690 are smaller, lighter, and off-road-racing oriented.

The closest things to a comparable bike to test it against IMO are the likes of the XTR and the G650 Beemers. Don't have the tank range or wind protection, but if the Tenere didn't exist and I was after something as a do-it-all bike for commuting, trail riding, travelling, or if I had to buy a new, stock bike and head straight off on an overland trip, it would be something like that.

Now it may be that the review in Bike managed to capture all this, and acknowledge why it's not like a V-Strom or a Tiger - the people that have actually read it have said it's fairly complimentary.
Totally agree.



Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

enduro374 01-12-12 12:26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gas_Up_Lets_Go (Post 181404)
:happy:

I'll third that.
Same here and yes it's got properly wet 'n mucky.

Pleiades 01-12-12 20:55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keithblade (Post 181448)
A good covering of afc and never clean them, its an adventure bike and doesnt need clean spokes. Lets be honest these bikes look better dirty anyway.

As for the rear wheel the Scotoiler covers the bikes spokes in cac and then they are protected with the covering.
Funnily enough, that's exactly what I do, to the last letter!

wide 02-12-12 10:04
Did have a read of said article, and it was helped along by people who actually enjoy riding these style of bikes, which made a nice change to some tests that get witten by riders who only use tarmac!!

mash101 02-12-12 11:57
Quote:
Originally Posted by wide (Post 181457)
Did have a read of said article, and it was helped along by people who actually enjoy riding these style of bikes, which made a nice change to some tests that get witten by riders who only use tarmac!!
+1!!!
However: how many places can you go 'adventure' riding in SE England? I bet most Tens in this part of the world NEVER go further than the odd farm track......
Still, good article though - I got round to reading all of it yesterday.

phil ten 03-12-12 18:52
Quote:
Originally Posted by uberthumper (Post 181384)
The point I'm slowly getting to is that in any group test involving the Tenere, it will probably come out badly, because I don't think there's anything genuinely comparable on the market as a stock bike. The ~800cc multi-cylinder bikes are much bulkier, much more powerful, and much more road oriented. The likes of the 690 are smaller, lighter, and off-road-racing oriented.
.
your bang right there! The Ten is often compared to those bikes but as you said there not comparable!!

i love my Ten, my main gripe is the wheels / hubs. Is it me or do they weigh like there made of lead! :)

RickM 05-12-12 00:15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gas_Up_Lets_Go (Post 181382)

Having both a Tiger and a Ten, I say they compliment each other. There is no way they are similar in ride, speed, delivery, ability they are all different.

Worlds apart in sound and feel as well - especially with the MTC can(s) on the Tenere. It would be great to own a British bike but being so used to thumpers, I don't think I could ever get on with any more than two cylinders - not least because of mpg. It's a shame the Tiger isn't a twin......but then being a triple helps give it it's unique-ness I guess.

RickM 05-12-12 00:28
Quote:
Originally Posted by phil ten (Post 181516)

i love my Ten, my main gripe is the wheels / hubs. Is it me or do they weigh like there made of lead! :)
At least they weigh like they're made to take a bashing and thrashing - quite handy on our pothole, speedhump & decay infested roads. Not to mention jumping humped roundabouts and kerb hopping......err....so I'm told ;-)

phil ten 05-12-12 17:58
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickM (Post 181562)
At least they weigh like they're made to take a bashing and thrashing - quite handy on our pothole, speedhump & decay infested roads. Not to mention jumping humped roundabouts and kerb hopping......err....so I'm told ;-)
good point :)

saw some lovely rims / hubs at the NEC show, they weren't Talon but looked just as nice. didnt have a price tag....you know what that means! :D

RickM 05-12-12 22:41
Yeah - don't tell the missus!! :rotf[1]:

enduro374 10-12-12 13:10
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickM (Post 181562)
At least they weigh like they're made to take a bashing and thrashing
It's the hubs that are the heavy part along with two discs up front and the rims are not that strong at all..

RickM 13-12-12 10:12
But strong enough for your average trail bike. Afterall, a spoked wheel's strength is due to the sum of its parts, n'est pas?

If someone was serious about racing then no doubt they would think about changing the wheels. Personally, I would think about a WR450 - not that I can afford to go racing :-(

Back on topic.......I note the mpg quoted for the Ten is hardly any better than that of the Tiger (43 vs 42). As I typically get about 60 mpg from my Ten has any Tiger owner seen any better than 42 mpg ?? (Gas Up??)

enduro374 13-12-12 10:41
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickM (Post 181772)
But strong enough for your average trail bike.

Agreed with 'average' use.

If someone was serious about racing then no doubt they would think about changing the wheels. Personally, I would think about a WR450 - not that I can afford to go racing :-(

Depends what racing you're planning and I have previously raced a WR450 - Very nice bike.

I'm now getting prepared to ride in the BBRC so I need a single cylinder bike that fits with the Trail Bike Class over 575cc and there is a very restricted choice. The obvious answer is the 690R and it may just come to that if the Ten' breaks!

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 13-12-12 11:11
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickM (Post 181772)
any Tiger owner seen any better than 42 mpg ?? (Gas Up??)
Urm..... dunno.

Never take any notice of the MPG, I was getting (was, because the tiger is tucked away for the winter, as I'm not convinced it's as hardy as the Ten) just over 150 per tank, but the bike is new and has done,,, erm about 750 miles maybe.. :icon_rolleyes:

Useless me :violent1: aren't I

I find MPG figures as misleading as suspension settings and tyre choice. There are two many variables with bikes, not least that the rider may not be riding the single as optimum as possible, whereas the triple rides more like a 4cylinder, so this may skew the results.

RickM 13-12-12 23:11
Quote:
Originally Posted by enduro374 (Post 181775)

I'm now getting prepared to ride in the BBRC so I need a single cylinder bike that fits with the Trail Bike Class over 575cc and there is a very restricted choice. The obvious answer is the 690R and it may just come to that if the Ten' breaks!
And good luck to ya fella! Hats off to anyone that can throw a 200+kg bike around off road (the Ten, that is. I know the KTM is lighter) :applause:

The most I ever managed was a 150ish kg 1990 DR650 - a bit of trail riding but mostly mx practice tracks. Did a hare and hounds on it with totally inappropriate tyres for the muddy conditions. Bloody knackered I was!!! :icon_pale:

RickM 14-12-12 00:16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gas_Up_Lets_Go (Post 181776)
Urm..... dunno.

Never take any notice of the MPG, I was getting (was, because the tiger is tucked away for the winter, as I'm not convinced it's as hardy as the Ten) just over 150 per tank, but the bike is new and has done,,, erm about 750 miles maybe.. :icon_rolleyes:

Useless me :violent1: aren't I

Mais non, mon ami! :respeck:

I find MPG figures as misleading as suspension settings and tyre choice. There are two many variables with bikes, not least that the rider may not be riding the single as optimum as possible, whereas the triple rides more like a 4cylinder, so this may skew the results.
Yep, sure thing. But it's interesting to see what is obtainable - especially as I spend so much on petrol each year (nuts, that reminds me - tax return due soon :089::moon:)

Like Keith, I've always found my Ten (and the DR650 before that) quite consistent in mpg. And yeah - the Fuelly website is quite useful for getting a general view of mpg.
Given that motorbike journos mpg figures are often on the pessimistic side (including that for the Ten) it is VERY uplifting to see them quoting the 800GS at 60mpg. :blob3::blob3::blob3:

enduro374 14-12-12 12:21
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickM (Post 181802)
And good luck to ya fella! Hats off to anyone that can throw a 200+kg bike around off road (the Ten, that is. I know the KTM is lighter) :applause:

The most I ever managed was a 150ish kg 1990 DR650 - a bit of trail riding but mostly mx practice tracks. Did a hare and hounds on it with totally inappropriate tyres for the muddy conditions. Bloody knackered I was!!! :icon_pale:
Which is why I'm trying to shed what weight I can. Suspension will be the really limiting factor in particular the forks, so I'll be giving this some attention too. Fortunately I won't need to fill the tank brim full so that will help too.

RickM 23-12-12 13:09
There's quite a few 800XC's popping up second hand - especially with a good helping of added accessories. I was tempted but mpg is a BIG issue for me.

So......
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickM (Post 181805)
Given that motorbike journos mpg figures are often on the pessimistic side (including that for the Ten) it is VERY uplifting to see them quoting the 800GS at 60mpg. :blob3::blob3::blob3:
and following a successful test ride (including doing 60-65mph against a significant head wind and still reading 63mpg on the on-board computer) I shall soon be taking delivery of very clean one owner 800GS from it's servicing dealer.

:blob3::blob3::blob3:

Dandy 23-12-12 19:50
MPG ----- I get high 40`s out of my Tiger 800 and about 10 more from my XTR but I dont count or worry that much. Remembering back a while I used to get 90 plus from my 125 but hey top speed was 65mph.I would not buy and ride a motorcycle with two much emphasis on economy.

mash101 24-12-12 10:38
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dandy (Post 182104)
MPG ----- I get high 40`s out of my Tiger 800 and about 10 more from my XTR but I dont count or worry that much. Remembering back a while I used to get 90 plus from my 125 but hey top speed was 65mph.I would not buy and ride a motorcycle with two much emphasis on economy.
+1 !!!!! Biker = petrol head
If you can afford a decent bike, petrol will be one of the lowest running costs....

uberthumper 24-12-12 10:41
Depends how much you ride it.

mash101 24-12-12 11:19
Quote:
Originally Posted by uberthumper (Post 182131)
Depends how much you ride it.
Sure, but that also affects depreciation, wear & tear, maintenance costs etc.....
It all stacks up, but for those of us lucky enough to afford a bike, fuel is not the no. 1 cost.


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:52.
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.