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Old 25-11-14, 17:04
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Will the CCM GP450 succeed?

I see today that CCM has delivered bike 001 to their first customer at the NEC show. But will they succeed? I�m interested in your views.

For me, if the bike was a 650 and less expensive I�d be very interested, as perhaps many other people might be too. So, hypothetically, let�s assume that is the case for now. The question I am interested in is this: �How many of us would be happy to buy a niche product from a small manufacturer?� How important are all the other factors in your bike purchases, such as:

Dealer network and support /warranty
Concerns over the longevity of the manufacturer and the length of the production run
Limited opportunities to get a test ride
Size of the aftermarket for extras and spares

If the bike was right for you, would you overlook all that, or would it be enough to put you off?

It�s a curious issue to me since the perfect lighter weight adventure bike doesn�t really exist from the main players, (a modified KTM 690 is as close as it gets for me, but it�s expensive once you�ve made all the mods needed), but small players (like CCM and WK) appear to be prepared to back that niche in the market. But can they succeed? What do you think?
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Old 25-11-14, 20:04
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I don't think this bike is expensive for the spec. Ask yourself which area of the bike would you compromise to lower the price...
would you like it heavier?
would you like just a basic suspension?
how about a tiny tank so you have to buy aftermarket straight away?
cheap wheels anyone?

There is plenty of compromised bikes on the market already and we end up modifying them until they are not cheap bikes anymore.

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Dealer network and support /warranty
[COLOR="Red"] They build it in house so could probably ship you any part you need next day. This is rarely the case with big manufacturers with established dealer networks. I'd rather have this kind of deal than wait in a dealership for parts which have to be shipped from some central warehouse.
Concerns over the longevity of the manufacturer and the length of the production run
Valid concern for me, now the bikes are being delivered it shouldn't take long for people to test it properly.
Limited opportunities to get a test ride
They do ok in UK in that regard. Flights are cheap
Size of the aftermarket for extras and spares
The whole point is that it doesn't need to be farkled to death, it's fairly sorted already, all critical bits are available from CCM, racks, bash etc.

If the bike was right for you, would you overlook all that, or would it be enough to put you off?
I would be willing to overlook a lot, all of it in fact, unfortunately it didn't feel like the bike for me, great bike nonetheless.
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Old 25-11-14, 20:35
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Saw an ad for it in ABR magazine and wondered about it alright. Who makes the engine they put in it? I'd always prefer something tried and tested over a low volume, craft assembled machine.

What is the RRP in the UK?

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Old 25-11-14, 23:03
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As far as I know the engine comes from BMW G450X I.e. Good starting point. The aforementioned after sales support, dealer network and aftermarket extras could be a problem during the life cycle. However engine parts will most likely be available.
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Old 25-11-14, 23:47
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As far as I know the engine comes from BMW G450X .
That explains the front sprocket/swingarm pivot alignment. Always thought that was a great idea - no uncertainty with chain adjustment.
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Old 26-11-14, 08:08
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As far as I know the engine comes from BMW G450X I.e. Good starting point. The aforementioned after sales support, dealer network and aftermarket extras could be a problem during the life cycle. However engine parts will most likely be available.
Kymco make the engine.......(pity it wasn't a 650....)


Have a wee peep here....

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=857243




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Old 26-11-14, 09:44
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Can't remember where I saw it now but there's similar version being made(not by CCM) with an XT660 motor in it.
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Old 26-11-14, 10:12
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I see today that CCM has delivered bike 001 to their first customer at the NEC show. But will they succeed? I’m interested in your views.

For me, if the bike was a 650 and less expensive I’d be very interested, as perhaps many other people might be too. So, hypothetically, let’s assume that is the case for now. The question I am interested in is this: “How many of us would be happy to buy a niche product from a small manufacturer?” How important are all the other factors in your bike purchases, such as:

Dealer network and support /warranty
Concerns over the longevity of the manufacturer and the length of the production run
Limited opportunities to get a test ride
Size of the aftermarket for extras and spares

If the bike was right for you, would you overlook all that, or would it be enough to put you off?

It’s a curious issue to me since the perfect lighter weight adventure bike doesn’t really exist from the main players, (a modified KTM 690 is as close as it gets for me, but it’s expensive once you’ve made all the mods needed), but small players (like CCM and WK) appear to be prepared to back that niche in the market. But can they succeed? What do you think?
The answer to your question yes I would be interested in buying say for example if it was a SM then I'd certainly would but not look at it anything with a European engine as they are way to fragile but as I've found in my life time opinions are always based on how much you have in the bank 30 years ago I'd have said no.
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Old 26-11-14, 13:20
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photobucket.com/user/truckerrid/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsc8904076.jpg.html] [/URL]

How about one of these? Definitely tried & tested winning the Paris Dakar.
Got one in my 'Virtual' garage!

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Old 26-11-14, 13:39
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Nice....(I wonder though could one get 100,000kms plus out of it without a strip down?)




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