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Old 28-10-12, 11:15
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XTX/XTR 660 panel plastic - painting and gluing

OK, after MUCH research I have worked out what type of plastic the panels are made of. On the back of the coloured and black panels, you'll see >PP< - this means that the panels are made of Polypropylene. I don't know about XTZ panels, but here is a code chart - look on the rear of the panel for >PP< or something similar: http://www.urethanesupply.com/identify_01.php
Painting:
To get great paint results on >PP< panels you need to prep the surface really well - this means more than sanding and (grey) priming.
As a bare minimum, thorough cleaning (wash and alcohol rub or de-wax), green scotchbrite, and a tie-coat/Adhesion Promoter (instead of primer). The best ones that repeatedly come up in discussion are Bulldog Adhesion Promoter and SEM Plastic Adhesion Promoter.
The reason PP panels are so hard to paint is that release agent is impregnated in the plastic, and it seems the best way to get good results is to flame treat the surface to be painted (after the scotchbrite stage). Scarily, this involves blow torching the surface to be painted just enough for it to sweat out the release agent and then you (immediately) clean it with very strong alcohol (90%). Here is a video of the technique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTiCWp0unjs. Make sure you do the leading edge of the back of the panel too, so that the paint can wrap around a bit.
Also, many swear that 400 grit abrasive paper and water is best (instead of scotchbrite).
I've yet to try it but at least I am confident now that I have a definitive technique.
Gluing/Repair:
3M, Loctite and Selleys (Australian) have 2 part (primer + glue) plastic instant adhesive (Cyanoacrylate - super glue). I have used the Selleys product and can vouch for the results. I repaired the right tank cowl snap lug thingie using this glue and silk cloth reinforcing - it lasted well up until I dropped the bike on it (shattered). The Loctite and Selleys products come with a felt tip priming pen, so are very easy to use. Be warned - there is zero positioning time - it sets instantly with the primer.
For plastic welding you need Polypropylene rods and a purpose built welding rig (hot air or electric), BUT good results can be obtained with a soldering iron (set at 260-270degC - although recommended PP welding temp is 300degC, so try first).
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Old 29-10-12, 10:20
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Hmmmm.... Interesting stuff - I am a huge fan of chemicals & cost effective fixes!
However, this has put me off trying for a new colour finish - I think it would be far less hassle just to buy a new set of plastics, or maybe get some stick on vinyl made up......
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Old 29-10-12, 15:51
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I'm really keen to try the PlastiDip range. Tough rubberised-plastic spray on coat that you can roll/peel off and change the colour when you want a change. All colours come out matt - but there is a 'glossifier' + other surface treatments. I've taken all the stickers off my panels, so no issue there (just custom 'XT660X' on the exhaust shroud). I've been imagining my bike in matt red (or orange) - maybe with a gloss white off-centre stripe, and then I found this stuff.
I imagine that the same flame prep technique applies to get rid of the release agent - a bit of experimenting? Actually I would (will?) try with just a thorough de-wax first - the finish is not meant to be permanent anyway.
KTM SuperDuke getting 'dipped': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL14...eature=related
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Old 29-10-12, 18:38
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Wow!! Plasti dip looks awesome! Only had a chance to look for a couple of minutes - interesting to see availability in UK....
Edit: http://www.plastidip.co.uk/eStore/in...FSTLtAod52MAsw
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Old 30-10-12, 03:10
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I know - way cool. I might even have to have a go at stealth/matt black.
For anyone in Oz: http://www.plastidip.net.au/
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