Ok another update, were at about a 1000 miles on them now. they seems to be wearing ok.

on dry roads they are good now they've worn in, wet roads they are not to bad. but on slimy wet roads they are very nervous, and can slide around alot on wet leaves and mud on the road. they let go fairly easily but seem quick to recover grip. but they give good feed back to let you know there's not much grip available.

Due to injury i've still not been near any dirt so still can't comment on that but i hope to resolve that soon.