i fancy those magadan bags but with racks its nearer 550 quid
i think the loop system is a solution to a xr problem rather than a xt

the ortileb bags are now coming to 4 years old ..i cant knock em at all ..i suport them and tie strap them to twin tool tubes ..they have been 1000 percent waterproof and 100 percent secure

i would say if your off roading they need a strapping point undernieth otherwise they will buck .. ..i know the tool tube is not everyones bag but if you look under the o/e eshausts making some bag supports and loop tie points is pretty easy

a nice by product of doing them this way it keeps the width o the bike right down even with the bags stuffed full ...me klr had frames on it when it came but she is way wide using the same panniers ...

no complaints for the money ...they are back to morroco in october and im not worried about taking them in the least