[QUOTE=stoic bloke;

would i be without, no way!

[/QUOTE]

Nor would I! This is the single best thing I've done to my bike, thanks to stoic's design ability.

The current trend of not fitting rear chain guides to adventure bikes (not only ours, but BMW, Triumph, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Husqvarna amazingly, and no doubt others) borders on negligence imo. It's so easy to derail a chain in mud, sand, scrub and sticks or even gravel it's not funny. As everyone knows, subsequent damage can be slight or result in a busted crankcase half. Or a locked rear wheel with possible crash complications.

Notably, and commendably, the humble DR650 has a very good chain guide. Isn't this telling designers something?

The fear that the guide material will melt at high speed is naive. If that was the case, so would the swingarm slipper found on almost all bikes these days. If the lower guide is mounted correctly, it merely guides the chain onto the rear sprocket under power with light contact, and is clear of the guide internal surface under deceleration.

Good one, stoic.