ive been dabbling with the 644 army specials 
        
 
         at first they were a bit alaming in the wet and react to tar lines hoorribly .....but using yor eyes and some common sense there not to bad especially when you get the little strandy bits worn away 
         
        
 ive done about 1200 miles on them now and am getting used to them 
        
 they improve with wear and although 
        
 still feel strange perform quite well chugging along on the tarmack ..in the dry now im bobbing along pretty well 
        
 in the wet ..i think [famouse last words ] i understand whats available and am pretty comfortable up to 60mph ..less lean ectect 
         
        
 if any one wants a reference point ..im quite happy at 70mph on the motorway in the dry 
        
 and 60mph in the wet ... thats me i wouldnt like to go much faster ..
        
 that said the speed rating is 80mph ...so its pretty much in line with what you may expect 
         
        
 if your not bothered about high speed and can slow down and in the wet ..i quite like them as a winter trail tyre ..ecpecially at 50 quid 
         
        
 really grippy in the boggy stuff too ..huge grip in the ****e 
        
 they are pretty exteam but i know you do a lot of off road ..
         
        
 you could do worse 
         
         
        
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minkyhead at 2011-09-29
         
         
        
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minkyhead at 2011-09-29
         
         
        
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minkyhead at 2011-09-29
         
        
 in fairness to the tyres ive done about a fair bit of travelling on tarmack they have shed 4/5ml in 1200 miles but do start at 16/17ml 
        
 [they look like a feckin hedgehog ]
         
        
 should be a pretty usful trail tyre 
        
 up to 2000 miles ... 
        
 there is about 13ml left and if you are not doing much tarmack they would have had more 
         
        
 for 50 quid i cant knock em for mostly off roading 
         
         
        
 wear at 1200 miles but ive travelled a bit to get to the trails ..
         
         
        
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minkyhead at 2011-10-26