oooh regie i cant agree with you on the chain thing

a certain amount of free play is required,when the swing arm is mid stoke the chain is at it's tightest point,when the suspension is unloaded perhaps when man-handing the bike through rocks/ruts the chain is very easily derailed due to more freeplay [the new bmuu 450 does not suffer].though you are right a slack chain is just waiting to get at the paint!

a chain guide is definitely needed i take great care with my bike and its adjustments and have knocked the chain off on more than one occasion especially on wooded trails.

peatbog,when the guide is ready put me down for one!