I had a spare key cut from a local locksmith (in the UK) and they easily cut and programmed a universal replacement key (which works) by using the same kind of mystery black box. Which copied the code from original black key to the new universal one - �35 GBP, five minutes work for them.

However, they couldn't override and program a blank Yamaha OE black key - I had to use the red key for that. Which worked out at �41.50 with the blank and cutting.

I managed to lose one of the original black keys and wanted a proper set of one red and two blacks. I also had a generic non-Yamaha copy made to take on trips with me as a spare.

The red key is really important - and will affect the resale value (and/or ease of selling) if it's missing.

It also means without it you can't re-program the remaining keys differently if you were to lose one - so the lost key can't be used to start the bike.

Well now , thats extremely good news GCD and Sweller thankyou very much and happy new year all