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J-P-W 09-01-13 21:16

OEM Bash 'plate'
 
I popped in to my friendly mechanic today, just for a chat, first time since buying my Tenere. They suggested drilling a lot of small [e.g. 5mm] holes in the plastic bash 'plate' to help with engine cooling.

Ever heard that this is necessary / good idea??

Thanks

Jon

Pleiades 09-01-13 21:48

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Originally Posted by J-P-W (Post 182741)
They suggested drilling a lot of small [e.g. 5mm] holes in the plastic bash 'plate' to help with engine cooling.

Quite frankly, that sounds ridiculous!:rotf[1]:

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 09-01-13 22:12

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Originally Posted by Pleiades (Post 182744)
Quite frankly, that sounds ridiculous!:rotf[1]:


Yes..... I concur.

enduro374 09-01-13 23:04

Load of cobblers - don't do it as the plastic bash plate is pretty good!

J-P-W 10-01-13 00:38

Thanks!
 
Seemed weird to me too!

SimonRoma 10-01-13 13:44

WTF and er do you er trust this er mechanic???? And is your engine overheating??? I always thought that heat rose kind of upwards???? Does yours fall???? Are you in Aussie???? Hehehehehe.

Petenz 10-01-13 18:29

If you wanted/needed to cool the botom end/crank cases..
You would be better of putting a oil cooler in the oil return
line to the oil tank..let the oil take the heat away from the crank case...

uberthumper 10-01-13 20:21

yeah, what that lot said ^

Seahorse 11-01-13 07:13

The only reason a bash plate is fitted is to protect the bottom of the frame and more importantly the lower extremeties of the engine itself from catastrophic contact with solid objects such as rocks, logs etc

Those who have actually hit solid objects at any pace will testify to sickening sound it makes, and immediatley thank their lucky stars that they had the foresight to fit a decent bash plate, in place of the plastic item supplied by Yamaha.

I assume we all agree that bash plates are essential items to have fitted if we intend using the bike for its "intended" purpose and not just there for show although the plastic bashplate hardly qualifies. There is however, a downside to this....they do limit the amount of airflow around the sump area of the engine. In certain circumstance and particularly in torturous riding conditions, this may result in higher thermal loads being placed on the engine, as the oil, is not able to carry the heat away from the internal running components effectively....(Oil is not only for lubrication, it also serves as a cooling medium.)

Drilling holes strategically in a bashplate is not as silly as it sounds, but it may in fact cause other problems, such as allowing mud etc to build up on the bottom of the engine and may actually reduce the strength of the bashplate itself. How carried away you intend to get with the size and number of holes, would have a lot to do with the expected riding conditions mixed in with a degree of common sense .

If you take a look at some of the bashplates available for adventure and enduro bike you will find that manufacturers that have access to laser cutting facilities tend to provide holes and slots to promote airflow

The object of the exercise is to enhance airflow yet still maximise protection....

phil ten 11-01-13 09:35

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Originally Posted by Seahorse (Post 182807)
The only reason a bash plate is fitted is to protect the bottom of the frame and more importantly the lower extremeties of the engine itself from catastrophic contact with solid objects such as rocks, logs etc

Those who have actually hit a solid objects at any pace will testify to sickening sound it makes, and immediatley thank their lucky stars that they had the foresight to fit a decent bash plate, in place of the plastic item supplied by Yamaha.

I assume we all agree that bash plates are essential items to have fitted if we intend using the bike for its "intended" purpose and not just there for show although the plastic bashplate hardly qualifies. There is however, a downside to this....they do limit the amount of airflow around the sump area of the engine. In certain circumstance and particularly in torturous riding conditions, this may result in higher thermal loads being placed on the engine, as the oil, is not able to carry the heat away from the internal running components effectively....(Oil is not only for lubrication, it also serves as a cooling medium.)

Drilling holes strategically in a bashplate is not as silly as it sounds, but it may in fact cause other problems, such as allowing mud etc to build up on the bottom of the engine and may actually reduce the strength of the bashplate itself. How carried away you intend to get with the size and number of holes, would have a lot to do with the expected riding conditions mixed in with a degree of common sense .

If you take a look at some of the bashplates available for adventure and enduro bike you will find that manufacturers that have access to laser cutting facilities tend to provide holes and slots to promote airflow

The object of the exercise is to enhance airflow yet still maximise protection....

Good reply. thanks

this doesnt apply to people who live in the UK...as a heat wave for us 20 degrees!!!! :) :)

Seahorse 11-01-13 10:33

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Originally Posted by phil ten (Post 182819)
Good reply. thanks

this doesnt apply to people who live in the UK...as a heat wave for us 20 degrees!!!! :) :)

On a normal East Coast Australian summer ride, temperatures can range from mid 20's to high 30's. Any higher and it is too uncomfortable for riding unless the trails are open and fast. The radiator cooling fan is usually running more than it is stopped. If the trail becomes tight and technical, the fan runs constantly and my left leg bears the brunt of the hot airflow.

I only use high quality oil (Belray "Thumper") and change it every 5000 k"s..(less if the going is really tough).

I currently use an aluminium B&B Bashplate. My intention being to add cooling holes to it, the next time it is off for servicing as well as tacking on an additional guard to protect the water pump. I will post up some pics of the final result.

BTW, I have been to the UK several times, and know from personal experience it can certainly get above 20C .....!!!

Metzy 11-01-13 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by phil ten (Post 182819)
Good reply. thanks

this doesnt apply to people who live in the UK...as a heat wave for us 20 degrees!!!! :) :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seahorse (Post 182821)
On a normal East Coast Australian summer ride, temperatures can range from mid 20's to high 30's. Any higher and it is too uncomfortable for riding unless the trails are open and fast. The radiator cooling fan is usually running more than it is stopped. If the trail becomes tight and technical, the fan runs constantly and my left leg bears the brunt of the hot airflow.

I only use high quality oil (Belray "Thumper") and change it every 5000 k"s..(less if the going is really tough).

I currently use an aluminium B&B Bashplate. My intention being to add cooling holes to it, the next time it is off for servicing as well as tacking on an additional guard to protect the water pump. I will post up some pics of the final result.

BTW, I have been to the UK several times, and know from personal experience it can certainly get above 20C .....!!!

I finished mowing the lawn this afternoon at 18:20 and it was still 38.2 degrees C. I went on a ride a couple of months ago and the max temperature for that day was a bit over 40 and I hardly heard the fan running, I also drank about six litres off water. Max temperature for today was 41 and yesterday was 42.9. I run a Guard it Tech sump gaurd with crash bars and it has holes in it on the sides. Gaurd It Tech sump gaurd link
Weather zone mount Isa link

SimonRoma 11-01-13 10:57

And very true, it also depends how you intend to use the bike, but Sahara riding with a plastic bash plate with or without holes is not really a good idea......and ps we VERY rarely get more than 20 or maybe even 25 degrees in the UK mate.....

Pleiades 11-01-13 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seahorse (Post 182807)
If you take a look at some of the bashplates available for adventure and enduro bike you will find that manufacturers that have access to laser cutting facilities tend to provide holes and slots to promote airflow

The object of the exercise is to enhance airflow yet still maximise protection....

I pretty sure the main reason that manufacturers cut slots and holes in their bash plates is more to keep the weight down, rather than for air-flow.

phil ten 11-01-13 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleiades (Post 182828)
I pretty sure the main reason that manufacturers cut slots and holes in their bash plates is more to keep the weight down, rather than for air-flow.

and maybe to let any trapped water flow back out?? :)

Petenz 12-01-13 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by phil ten (Post 182836)
and maybe to let any trapped water flow back out?? :)


My crank cases are almost water cooled...With the number of river crossing we do on some rides... plus theres the foam between the crank cases & plate to stop it vibrateing.. soaks up water real well...


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