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66T 05-12-14 05:51

Sorry to keep on about this stopper lever assembly, but I've found out that the same part number 5JW-18140-00 (add another 00 if you're American) was fitted to the FJR1300 series, and even a Yamaha outboard!

So why do Teneres have the only ones to fail? Heavier detent spring? No idea.

fortis 02-01-15 08:31

I have a black 2009 Tenere with 40000ks on the clock, sometimes have trouble shifting into 3rd gear when gunning it, all other times is OK just when I give it some beans. Could this be the first signs of trouble...

Pleiades 02-01-15 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by fortis (Post 205366)
I have a black 2009 Tenere with 40000ks on the clock, sometimes have trouble shifting into 3rd gear when gunning it, all other times is OK just when I give it some beans. Could this be the first signs of trouble...


Quite possibly. Probably worth investigating.

If there's one thing we have all learnt from this, it's worth checking your gearbox at the first sign of something being a miss, rather than soldiering on - especially if it's a 2009 model Tenere.

Mech 21-01-15 15:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by fortis (Post 205366)
I have a black 2009 Tenere with 40000ks on the clock, sometimes have trouble shifting into 3rd gear when gunning it, all other times is OK just when I give it some beans. Could this be the first signs of trouble...

YES. Mine ended up sticking in gear. Forcing it out is probably what broke the dogs. Fortunately they didn't do any more damage, but looking through this thread that was just pure luck... still costs a grand to have a dealer fix it...

MrKonik 27-01-15 11:09

Hi guys,

i'd like to add my experience. I've been having 2009 Tenere for over a year. Bought it with 11,000 km on the clock. Use it on road, off road, long distances. Have to say i was enjoying the bike lately a lot.

But last trip didn't end up well. Went for a four days trip with my girlfriend. Things went wrong already on day 1. Was riding on a dirt road up the hill, suddenly the bike shuts off and rear wheel lock. We were stuck in the middle of the forest and luckily with the help of other people got to the nearest town. Long story short. Gearbox. After 26,000 km? R u serious Yamaha?

The gearbox still in, so don't know how big the damage is, but find out soon...


http://imageshack.com/a/img910/2429/bh3zKJ.jpg

Mech 29-01-15 11:28

Yep... that's the same old issue... if you've got the dog out the bottom of the box you're lucky... you may not have caused too much damage elsewhere. But it is a full engine out and gearbox apart job to fix it.
Yamaha have a lot to answer for regarding this failure... there are other issues which are minor and can be 'excused', but gearboxes breaking after about the same distances on multiple early bikes, is not on... only for them to completely ignore the issue because they are 'out of warranty'... I wonder if there is anything in UK law regarding fit for purpose and what sort of timescales are 'reasonable'... any ideas anyone?

MrKonik 04-02-15 08:33

So, this is the result...not happy at all...disaster...

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/7523/cBxQpm.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/9060/YwDUNR.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img673/4381/5iywdB.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7470/7WSoGG.jpg

Mech 04-02-15 15:34

Commiserations MrKonik... if your bike only had 11000kms on it, what year is it?

Are we all sitting on our bikes, just waiting for another gearbox failure????

Pleiades 04-02-15 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mech (Post 206407)
Commiserations MrKonik... if your bike only had 11000kms on it, what year is it?

Yet another 2009 model...

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrKonik (Post 206144)
I've been having 2009 Tenere for over a year. Bought it with 11,000 km on the clock.

Unless I'm mistaken every single one of the bikes that has shown this problem has been a 2009 XTZ.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mech (Post 206407)
Are we all sitting on our bikes, just waiting for another gearbox failure????

Not necessarily, but it would seems as though it is statistically more likely if your bike was from 2009.

Looking again at the evidence: All Teneres, all 2009, would suggest that the problem is one of poor manufacture rather than poor design. If it was down to poor design then you would expect a random sample of XTRs, Xs and Zs from 2004 to 2015 to show the problem with almost equal distribution amongst the years of manufacture. As it appears to be one single year of one particular model, it would tend to suggest that a "bad" batch of poorly cast dogs was fitted (or some other related part that causes the dogs to break) at some point in 2009. Still an issue to which Yamaha should be responsible for and moreover, responsible for correcting.

I still don't believe we are "all" sitting on bikes waiting for gearbox failure though, there's no evidence to suggest this, just some evidence pointing to a possible "bad batch". Now if you bike falls into that "bad batch", then there probably is due reason to be concerned, but as I've said before, not necessarily to panic.

Now being objective about this, and as there is weight in numbers, I would suggest a logical next step would be to try and collate some frame and engine numbers for the bikes that have exhibited gearbox failure. Let's see if we can identify some sort of pattern, see if there is a common factor. It is this kind of evidence Yamaha will react to rather than ramblings on a forum and complaints from individuals. I am more than happy to chase this one up with Yamaha, collect the frame/engine numbers, analyse the data and presented it in collective communication if people so desire?

I wouldn't like it to happen to me and therefore I am quite happy to do my bit, but we will need hard evidence, facts and figures if we're going to get anywhere with it.

Over to you...

MrKonik 05-02-15 09:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mech (Post 206407)
Commiserations MrKonik... if your bike only had 11000kms on it, what year is it?

Are we all sitting on our bikes, just waiting for another gearbox failure????

2009, with 26,000km

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleiades (Post 206408)
Looking again at the evidence: All Teneres, all 2009, would suggest that the problem is one of poor manufacture rather than poor design. If it was down to poor design then you would expect a random sample of XTRs, Xs and Zs from 2004 to 2015 to show the problem with almost equal distribution amongst the years of manufacture. As it appears to be one single year of one particular model, it would tend to suggest that a "bad" batch of poorly cast dogs was fitted (or some other related part that causes the dogs to break) at some point in 2009. Still an issue to which Yamaha should be responsible for and moreover, responsible for correcting.

I still don't believe we are "all" sitting on bikes waiting for gearbox failure though, there's no evidence to suggest this, just some evidence pointing to a possible "bad batch". Now if you bike falls into that "bad batch", then there probably is due reason to be concerned, but as I've said before, not necessarily to panic.

Now being objective about this, and as there is weight in numbers, I would suggest a logical next step would be to try and collate some frame and engine numbers for the bikes that have exhibited gearbox failure. Let's see if we can identify some sort of pattern, see if there is a common factor. It is this kind of evidence Yamaha will react to rather than ramblings on a forum and complaints from individuals. I am more than happy to chase this one up with Yamaha, collect the frame/engine numbers, analyse the data and presented it in collective communication if people so desire?

I wouldn't like it to happen to me and therefore I am quite happy to do my bit, but we will need hard evidence, facts and figures if we're going to get anywhere with it.

Over to you...

I have no problem with that...I did actually go to local Yamaha dealer and told him about that. Service manager said he doesn't know anything about this issue. I've been told to bring the bike (the engine was already half open back in my garage) and they will try a warranty claim from Yamaha. I gave up. I would have to put everything back and bring it to them. If Yamaha refuse to pay, they charge me for work. And I don't have log book as I was doing the service by myself...

now looking for new engine :stirpot:

quick question to other happy guys with 2009 broken engine - what gear wheel failed on yours? mine was 4th gear...be interesting if all failures happened on same gear...


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