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Gas_Up_Lets_Go 12-04-11 20:30

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Originally Posted by the pheasant (Post 153594)
70mpg is achievable with the Ten, .

if you can find a downhill section long enough. 55 to 60 is achievable, but to suggest 70 :spam1:

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Originally Posted by the pheasant (Post 153594)
Capable of a 1000 mile day

It's capable of 1680 miles a day, but I doubt the rider could manage it...



Look, I'm well aware of the benefits of Tenere ownership, I was one of the first in the UK to get one, and still have the bike. I've taken it to so many countries I've lost count. But lets be realistic with the claims....

You've made the right choice, and if you have the right expectations you'll love the bike. But many have bought the bike with the wrong expectations, and so the bike doesn't live upto them, then in a few months the bikes gone and replaced with something very different.

tenere doug 12-04-11 20:47

All the above is true... it's no miracle bike, but it is a bloody good all-rounder! :045:

offroadtoad 12-04-11 21:23

On the matter of fuel economy I think average 70 mpg might be achievable, but thus far I haven't managed it.

The last three tanks I've put in have run me an average of 240 miles from brim to fuel trip. On each occastion I've filled up within a 10 miles and have never put in more than 16.8 litres to re-brim. Based on 240 miles for 16.8 litres my return mpg average has been roughly 65mpg. Given that this is accumulated over several journeys on different days (not just one continual trip) and that those journeys each include spells at +70mph and on / off throttle acceleration through A- and B-class roads at 55-65mph, plus town traffic and the morning commute stop / starts.

To have achieved an average of 65mpg in those conditions means it's a given the bike has been easily achieving considerably more at certain times, but this will always be offset by far lower mpg under acceleration conditions.

To achieve an average 70mpg I'll need to get 260miles before the fuel-trip cuts in. The gauntlet has been thrown down.

For what it's worth I probably ride like a nun compared to many on here :walk1:

tripletom 12-04-11 21:47

If you want super economy, buy a cg125.
I concur the Ten is a bloody good all-rounder, but there are areas where it really isn't so great. Different strokes for different folks and all that.

offroadtoad 13-04-11 00:46

You're not wrong � the way fuel prices are risin' I might well get a CG for the commute.

Agree the Ten has it's flaws. For me the pros outweight the cons, but for others I can understand why they might prefer something different. I had a similar dilema when I bought my bike (GS800 / GS650 / Ten). I'll be honest and say it was a close-run thing. Ultimately it came down to price and the dealer needing to shift stock quickly at the end of the quarter. The price increases since then only serve to make the choice more difficult. Glad I don't have to choose now.

the pheasant 13-04-11 14:22

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Originally Posted by Gas_Up_Lets_Go (Post 153595)
if you can find a downhill section long enough. 55 to 60 is achievable, but to suggest 70 :spam1:



It's capable of 1680 miles a day, but I doubt the rider could manage it...



Look, I'm well aware of the benefits of Tenere ownership, I was one of the first in the UK to get one, and still have the bike. I've taken it to so many countries I've lost count. But lets be realistic with the claims....

You've made the right choice, and if you have the right expectations you'll love the bike. But many have bought the bike with the wrong expectations, and so the bike doesn't live upto them, then in a few months the bikes gone and replaced with something very different.

You are right about expectations; fuel economy is one reason I bought it. My first tankful worked out at 62.5 mpg, fast motorway and town riding; 225 miles, 3.6 gallons/16.4l. The previous owner got 70mpg twice on our Stella Alpine ride; I was there and helped him calculate it. All it takes is a gentle hand and the desire to save fuel.

I've ridden from Vicenza to London, over 1k miles, in 16 hours on an Africa Twin, and the saddle on that is misery. Why should the Tenere not be as good, if not better? You don't need to exceed 80mph anywhere.

66T 14-04-11 04:58

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Originally Posted by the pheasant (Post 153658)
You are right about expectations; fuel economy is one reason I bought it. My first tankful worked out at 62.5 mpg, fast motorway and town riding; 225 miles, 3.6 gallons/16.4l. The previous owner got 70mpg twice on our Stella Alpine ride; I was there and helped him calculate it. All it takes is a gentle hand and the desire to save fuel.

I've ridden from Vicenza to London, over 1k miles, in 16 hours on an Africa Twin, and the saddle on that is misery. Why should the Tenere not be as good, if not better? You don't need to exceed 80mph anywhere.

Not so unrealistic, methinks. I've got 69mpg out of my Tenere, and 66 with the panniers on but not heavily loaded except for me at 110kg at the time. I find you only need a nice warm day and nil wind, and good mileage is easy.

I, too, have ridden around 1600km in one go, only stopping briefly for fuel and food. Lots of people have here in Oz. Not something I'd like to do now, but that's what memories are for.

zOU 14-04-11 09:48

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Originally Posted by The Crow (Post 135992)
BUT:
Unknowns:
* Just how much will the Tenere battle to pull with it loaded
* How will the single handle being two up and loaded (Yes, I know the GS will be better, but will the Tenere be bearable)
* ABS...will I look back and regret buying the bike without it
* How tiring will the single's vibrations be

i can tell from my own experience (5000 km on the tenere 2 up with full luggage and camping gear) that it is fine.
Do not expect lightning fast throttle response and overtaking need planning, but it'll do 110kph cruising.
My only concern is that the front end becomes very light and steering less sharp. but it's only a problem at very low speeds.

You would disconnect the ABS while off the tarmac, so you don't really need one :)

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JMo 14-04-11 14:02

Just to mix things up a bit... it will be interesting to see how the 'new' G650GS compares with the Tenere...

Just been reading about it in TBM this month, and by all accounts the update (using the original frame and engine) looks very tidy, and fundamentally - it's priced in the UK at just under �5K...!!!

Suddenly the RRP on a Tenere looks very expensive - you could spec the GS will all the options and still come out less than Yamaha's current RRP...

Of course the GS is more road biased, and the 165mm suspension travel is a bit woeful, but I imagine a lot of people are going to be tempted by the price in these austere times?

Jx

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 14-04-11 14:34

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Originally Posted by JMo (Post 153732)
Just to mix things up a bit... it will be interesting to see how the 'new' G650GS compares with the Tenere...

I would say, not at all.

The R, now that's more of a comparison.

The G-Gs (as they have called it), is more akin to the Transalp maybe, or the Tiger, but it lacks in too many areas to compare to the mighty Tenere....

It certainly gets a good write up (tell me a BMUU that doesn't ?), but why have they opted for a split/twin can affair ? and a woefully small tank ? and the mirrors that prevent you from standing....

I think they could have done more, but in these austere times they dusted down an old design and digitally enhanced it. No bad thing, imaging if Honda did the same with the AT ?? or the good old XT600.

But I agree, lots of people will compare the two, and the question will be �5k for a BMW or �6.5k for a Yam....... Yes the Yam will loose out to the BMW, because lots of people buy a badge, and don't really care what lump of metal is attached.


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