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Kev 26-11-09 23:10

If anyone doubts the gains of any DNA filters have a look at the dyno sheets, the dyno does not lie.

DNA have shown they are quite prepared to send samples of their filters to Freez & myself for independent dyno testing. In past tests I did independent dyno testing with their stage 1 & 2 filters for the XTX & XTR, I found their output figures quite accurate. So I have no reason not to believe that the stage 3 won't work on the XTZ.

The price, that is another thing. I do know DNA has spent alot of time & money on research & development on the XT660 of late. I think the price is an individual thing, don't get me wrong all comments are welcome. I am sure we will see quite a few positive comments once a few of these filters have been fitted to the XTZ.

fozzy17 26-11-09 23:31

If dna want to send me a stage 3 feel free i will get it on the rolling road and print the results before and after and then give the xt660 forums the maps to use after... :)


i would like to see the difference on a dyno with a dna filter stage 2 and stage 3 airbox mod with a pvc before and after.

Kev 27-11-09 01:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by fozzy17 (Post 112888)
If dna want to send me a stage 3 feel free i will get it on the rolling road and print the results before and after and then give the xt660 forums the maps to use after... :)


i would like to see the difference on a dyno with a dna filter stage 2 and stage 3 airbox mod with a pvc before and after.

Thanks for the offer. DNA have already mentioned that a stage 3 filter is to be sent to South Africa so freez can test it on his dyno, as an independent test.

CaptMoto 27-11-09 14:37

Please Pay Attention
 
After lenghty discussions, we have managed to obtain the most competitive deal for the sale of these Tenere Stage 2(3) filters. We have been made aware of a UK based company underselling these, and it turned out they made a pricing error on their website. Simple as that.

Now this company has revised their price and in the good spirit of fair trading myself and DNA have decided that to clear the air we can offer a more competitive price than ANY other hillbilly out there on the web so please find below the final price for these filters with various shipping charges for Europe or the rest of the World.

The DNA Stage 2(3) for the Tenere is now �80 = equivalent to �72
Shipment to UK & Europe is now �8 = equivalent to �7.20 (remember they are shipped from Greece)
and Shipment to the rest of the World is now �16 = equivalent to �14.40

Please also note that I've heard it from the horse's mouth that no other dealer on the web is yet to receive any stock of these new filters as they have only been completed last week, their stock will be sent out from DNA in batches at a later date, whereas if you were to order one from us now, you could get it by Wednesday 2nd Dec.

And that is how good we are here.

If any of you have already ordered from other sources be prepared for a lenghty wait or you can cancel your order with them and order them here instead.

harpy 27-11-09 14:43

Hi

A quick question is there enough range of adjustment on the KEV mod to run the stage 3 filters on the tenere maybe not long term but until you can afford a powercommander

Thanks

Gary

Thanks

CaptMoto 27-11-09 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by harpy (Post 112927)
Hi

A quick question is there enough range of adjustment on the KEV mod to run the stage 3 filters on the tenere maybe not long term but until you can afford a powercommander

Thanks

Gary

Thanks

Thanks harpy for your enquiry, Kev will be along later to reply. I am sure he will have a solution. Cheers.

Kev 28-11-09 04:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by harpy (Post 112927)
Hi

A quick question is there enough range of adjustment on the KEV mod to run the stage 3 filters on the tenere maybe not long term but until you can afford a powercommander

Thanks

Gary

Thanks

Gary I would say no at this stage, until we have tested it with a stage 3, my fuel mod is only a very basic fuel adjuster. I would expect you will need a Power Commander with this amount of air been drawn into the motor. Once you start to throw lots of air in the motor the A/F ratio becomes more complex & you need to build a fuel map in different rpm & throttle openings to correct the A/F ratio.

borus 29-11-09 13:54

The filter and the XT660 forum price offer are very promising. I do know that I need a PC but that one is already on my wishlist. But I do have another question.

The air filter is exposed to the weather. At least, much more then the regular filter that lives under the saddle. I do live in the Netherlands nearby the coast and we do have lot's of rain. Really, not a little but sometimes really days of moisture, rain, light rain or heavy rain. Ofcourse, I do ride in the rain too.

Can this all influence the quality of filtering by this filter?

(BTW at the office and my home, my bike is also parked outside, and most of the time without any cover).

CaptMoto 29-11-09 15:21

Dino has specified that this filter can witstand any weather except that it is not advisable to fully submerge the bike in water in extreme conditions, such as wading on small river crossing etc etc. For the conditions wihch you have specified the filter is more than safe and suitable. Don't forget these filters are washable and can be regenerated with the cleaning kit available separately.

Skunkmoto 30-11-09 13:11

In two minds about this, just take the plunge and get me some Crimbo treats, or wait till next year and better weather, the bike's not going to get much use over the next few months, then again it's the best time to fiddle with the thing. Decisions decisions.

Sooo.... I'd need:
PCV - best price I've googled so far is �280.
DNA - Stage 1, replacement filter �28.
DNA - Stage 2, replacement for the snorkel/top o'the air box �30.
From the Cap'n LSH airbox cover.
A dyno day.

Questions
Are the DNA PCV 'maps' available if I pay my tenner?
These should be used as a starting point and my bike setup on the dyno for optimum running?
The dyno chaps should be able to tweak the settings using the PCV software?

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 30-11-09 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skunkmoto (Post 113179)
Are the DNA PCV 'maps' available if I pay my tenner?

There is a map supplied with the Stage 3 filter (plus stock pipes), but it doesn't say if it's a 3 or 5 map.

I think I might be tempted with the S1, S2 and S3 filters, when the S3 cover comes along (help me cope with the Lakeland water courses, sorry, roads)

The question I have, which is related to Pete's, is about the PC , is the map 3 or 5 ?, and are there maps available for Stage 1+2 and Stage 1+2+3 ?? (I'm thinking about the switchable map of the PC-V , could have one with the S3 filter covered and one without ??).

Sorted the suspension, now for a bit more power......

fyreguy73 30-11-09 20:49

Just a question? I had a 08 TE610 and I opened up the side to let it breath better. What is stopping someone just drilling out the side of the cover and covering it with some gauze fromthe local auto shop? And do you need a second air filter? whats wrong with just the one? Just curious as I want what most guys want, BANG FOR THEIR BUCK.

CaptMoto 30-11-09 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by fyreguy73 (Post 113203)
Just a question? I had a 08 TE610 and I opened up the side to let it breath better. What is stopping someone just drilling out the side of the cover and covering it with some gauze fromthe local auto shop? And do you need a second air filter? whats wrong with just the one? Just curious as I want what most guys want, BANG FOR THEIR BUCK.

Look at the comparison charts supplied by DNA, with their professional tests made that show what filter combination gived the best air flow coefficient.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...C-Y6E08-S2.jpg

JMo 30-11-09 21:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by fyreguy73 (Post 113203)
Just a question? I had a 08 TE610 and I opened up the side to let it breath better. What is stopping someone just drilling out the side of the cover and covering it with some gauze fromthe local auto shop? And do you need a second air filter? whats wrong with just the one? Just curious as I want what most guys want, BANG FOR THEIR BUCK.

The difference with the Tenere is that the whole airbox is post filter (ie. the air inside is after it's been filtered) - therefore if you drilled out the side panel and put in a gauze, the original filter would now be all but redundant and there would be no filtering to speak of - it would technically still work, but suck in so much dust water etc etc that the engine wouldn't last long...

xxx

CaptMoto 01-12-09 14:32

Please Note
 
Please take note of one more detail in regards to the Stage 3 Filter, Gas_Up_Lets_Go enquired about which map comes with this filter PCIII or PCV, originally Dino had only made one for the PCIII but said that the data can be converted to PCV, and eventually today he confirmed that from now on, these filters will ship with both maps one for the PCIII and one for the PCV and for the PCV he has also included a factor for the Autotune in case someone has it together with their PCV.

I think this latest addition makes the whole deal priceless.

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 01-12-09 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptMoto (Post 113249)
.

I think this latest addition makes the whole deal priceless.

I agree. for the same money as a leovince system, you can get PC-V, a map and the S1,2+3 Airbox mods.... and keep your standard pipes!


I feel a birthday pressy to myself coming on...

DNA 01-12-09 15:00

Good reply JMO,

Guys, you must all understand that DNA can offer upgrade filter solutions that are safe for your bikes engine, ONLY!
If anyone wants to drill, cut, etc. the air box or the bike!!! It is their choice.
Clean filtered air, protects the engine and makes more power, dirty air grinds the engine and finally kills it.
It is up to you to choose.
And one important note for XTZ owners:
During the development of the DNA S2(3) air box cover filter, we found that both the stock air box covers leak air (dirt). So we suggest to all of you remove the covers, clean the inside of the air box and apply air filter grease, or silicone grease, or Vaseline on the O-rings, until the groove that the O-rings sits in is completely covered. Re-install the covers, clean the excessive grease and you have done a big favor to your bike!!!

Best regards,

Dino Nikolaidis
DNA Filters Greece

J_maker 01-12-09 15:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by DNA (Post 113254)
Good reply JMO,

Guys, you must all understand that DNA can offer upgrade filter solutions that are safe for your bikes engine, ONLY!
If anyone wants to drill, cut, etc. the air box or the bike!!! It is their choice.
Clean filtered air, protects the engine and makes more power, dirty air grinds the engine and finally kills it.
It is up to you to choose.
And one important note for XTZ owners:
During the development of the DNA S2(3) air box cover filter, we found that both the stock air box covers leak air (dirt). So we suggest to all of you remove the covers, clean the inside of the air box and apply air filter grease, or silicone grease, or Vaseline on the O-rings, until the groove that the O-rings sits in is completely covered. Re-install the covers, clean the excessive grease and you have done a big favor to your bike!!!

Best regards,

Dino Nikolaidis
DNA Filters Greece

Sorry for hacking your post Dino but this is so very important that I had to make it easier to read. :eusa_clap::eusa_clap::eusa_clap:

Skunkmoto 16-02-10 11:17

I'd like to do some back to back runs with the mods.

Fitting the PCV is a bit of a chore, so can I run with a 'zero' map in the PCV for stock bike?

I'm guessing I just type '0' in the table thingy in the software save it off (different name) and load it into the PCV.

JMo 16-02-10 22:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skunkmoto (Post 120326)
I'd like to do some back to back runs with the mods.

Fitting the PCV is a bit of a chore, so can I run with a 'zero' map in the PCV for stock bike?

I'm guessing I just type '0' in the table thingy in the software save it off (different name) and load it into the PCV.

Yes, that is certainly possible - if all the parameters are set to Zero, it would be the same as not having it connected...

Personally I'd make the Zero map the second map (ie. the switched one - map 2), that way when you unplug the switch, the PCV is running the custom map for your modifications as the default position?

This is how mine was set up, although I can't see myself ever fitting the original filter/snorkle/exhaust (especially as that has been chopped to pieces by Stoic now x), therefore the bike just runs in position 1 now which is the custom map.

J xx


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