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josephau 03-03-09 23:12

TT Engine Guard Toolbox
 
Has anyone bought one of these, http://www.touratech.com/shops/001/p...2bdd7d6feca4cd

or similar? It's expensive given one has to buy the large sumpguard with it so the total cost is EUR 250. I am curious if anyone who has got it or something similar on their bike, what do you think of it? Worth it to tuck all the tools (not sure if it would fit the lubricant cans) all the way at the bottom to keep the center of gravity low? Then what about ground clearance?

TimM 04-03-09 11:56

I considered it but as it looks to be of folded and riveted construction I had my doubts about it being able to keep water out. As it is right in line with the front wheel your tools and kit will be wet as soon as the road is.

springer 04-03-09 19:56

I just got the toolbox from TT ....
but the sumpguard hasn�t arrived jet.
If you want to keep things dry, you have to put them in a plastic bag or so ...
There�s no way to use silicon to keep the water out.

JMo 04-03-09 19:59

The concept is good (especially as the Tenere has quite a lot of space in front of the engine), but as Tim says, I fear anything you put in there is going to get wet/grubby - unless you wrap it all in plastic/waterproof bag first...

Also, without being consigned to pedant's corner - it isn't that large - so the weight of any tools you can actually fit in there isn't going to make a noticable difference to weight distribution on a 180+Kg bike... surely? (just pack your tool roll in your luggage x)

Looks kewl though!

xxx

hombacher 27-03-09 19:03

Honestly I don't know where to write first. Here are so many TT threads started...


Nevertheless the headline of this thread is right.

Yesterday my large bash plate arrived. Just after a period of four month in which I could watch my TT tool box only.
My resume: these TT parts are not worth to wait for.

Okay, it is machined very well, it looks worthy and weights a lot.

My problems started when I tried to fit the left bracket to the front of the bike frame. It did not work. I had to adjust the bracket with a file.
After placed both brackets next problem arrived. Only with the motivation of a club hammer I was able to assemble the bolts bash plate to the brackets.

One joke at the end, due to the exhaust pipe I can not open the tool box lid very wide. I do not think that it is possible to put in a tool roll.

Compared to the original Yamaha alu bash plate the TT part gives no really plus or advantage. The Yamaha bash plate is machined good and fits like it has to be. It also looks nice cause of its slots, holes and intelligent placed rubber pins.
Only plus of TT is the possible protection of the waterpump. But now, somebody must explain me how to reach the oil screw left side.

After pounding around like a blacksmith I wanted to calm down just fitting the TT sprocket guard. I had to laugh when I saw that Yamaha also installed a chain guard (!) under the plastic cover. So the TT pronounced protection of the crank case or engine housing is already series.
Only mud lovers will see an advantage by easy cleaning or mud removal from that area around the sprocket.
Think by modifying the plastic cover you will have the same result.

Now you see me clueless, dumped some 250 EUR but do not feel really satisfied.


Gruss
hombacher

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 27-03-09 19:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by hombacher (Post 87576)
Honestly I don't know where to write first. Here Only plus of TT is the possible protection of the waterpump.

The OEM Yamah engine bars protect the water pump just perfect too.......

I think more and more that Yamaha have done a good job here. With the exception maybe of the TT aux lamps, much of the TT stuff isn't needed...............

hombacher 27-03-09 19:27

Thank you very much for your evaluation I fully agree!

I dont't know why I had not the OEM engine bars on my radar, maybe to much dazzled by that stylish tool box?! *grumph*

josephau 27-03-09 19:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by hombacher (Post 87585)
Thank you very much for your evaluation I fully agree!

I dont't know why I had not the OEM engine bars on my radar, maybe to much dazzled by that stylish tool box?! *grumph*

Many thanks for your brutally honest feedback on TT's large sumpguard. Before your feedback, I could see myself getting that and the toolbox if I have some cash lying around. Now, I would not touch it, thanks to your comments.

On TT aux lights, I think someone on this forum has spent only one-fifth of TT's price on a pair of non-TT lights with some homemade brackets. Looks good and they seem to work too.

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 28-03-09 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by josephau (Post 87589)
On TT aux lights, I think someone on this forum has spent only one-fifth of TT's price on a pair of non-TT lights with some homemade brackets. Looks good and they seem to work too.


Yes, the lights are Hella Micro DE's but the extra �100 each does look good!!! Not that I'll be spending my cash though, :068:

springer 05-04-09 18:15

TT = total troubleshooting
 
Hi guys!

Just got my sumpguard after weeks of waiting. And it fitted maybe even worse than mentioned above.
Not only the brackets have to be done but also one of only two holes in the sumpguard, too.
And in this area the plates are doubled so you got finished not only in minutes but in hours!!!! Destroying your tools, your fingers and your beer storage :073:
What a f****** b******!
This was my last TT order.
Afterwards i just wanted to mount the siren delay (the last part i ordered). And ....... you can guess what???????
The electric wires are to short! What kind of bike did they use to develop their parts? The clay model?

And now i looking for alternative panniers ... no TT boxes.

So if you�re used in metal treatment maybe the sumpguard is an easy thing for you but if not go and get the right tools not to go insane.

Enjoy your Z !!!!!!!!!!!

stevied1969 05-04-09 19:05

ARD Cases are supposed to be the mutts nuts (not used them myself). They are basically manufactured by a guy just for bear money, but the end results look really good. Linky to UKGSers website thread on the subject, you can also find the guys phone number on there too if you want to order some. Charges about �300 for a pair of quality aly boxes.

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthr...120426&page=14

springer 06-04-09 11:57

Looks very good!

Thank you very much for this!
And coloured grey they look perfect!

YAM 6 08-04-09 13:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gas_Up_Lets_Go (Post 87582)
The OEM Yamah engine bars protect the water pump just perfect too.......

I think more and more that Yamaha have done a good job here. With the exception maybe of the TT aux lamps, much of the TT stuff isn't needed...............

the Yamaha ome parts (engine bars and bash plate) are "crap" they fall apart, i am waiting for a full refund from Yamaha.

please see below....also i have the new touratech engine guard fits well and looks ok to me... i am very happy with this part.

Biking 08-04-09 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by YAM 6 (Post 89093)
the Yamaha ome parts (engine bars and bash plate) are "crap" they fall apart, i am waiting for a full refund from Yamaha.

please see below....also i have the new touratech engine guard fits well and looks ok to me... i am very happy with this part.

I've got the same problems with the engine bars and bash plate.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6074/img11033.jpg

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 08-04-09 13:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by YAM 6 (Post 89093)
the Yamaha ome parts (engine bars and bash plate) are "crap" they fall apart,

That's a very sweeping statement.

A little unfair perhaps ?

YAM 6 08-04-09 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biking (Post 89101)
I've got the same problems with the engine bars and bash plate.




http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6074/img11033.jpg



take it off, take it back, get your money back..................

YAM 6 08-04-09 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by YAM 6 (Post 89093)
the Yamaha ome parts (engine bars and bash plate) are "crap" they fall apart, i am waiting for a full refund from Yamaha.

please see below....also i have the new touratech engine guard fits well and looks ok to me... i am very happy with this part.


has anyone else had this problem with the Yamaha engine bars and bash plate, please post up your pictures show us all....sean

hombacher 08-04-09 17:56

Sorry, Yam,


no problems with the Yamaha Alu bash plate, just the additional work with the lousy TT gear as written earlier.


Gruss
hombacher

JMo 08-04-09 18:29

Looking at the photos, I can see the rear mounting point is a particular weak spot (a simple folded joint), particularly as the Yamaha bashplate seems to be made of thinner material than the TT version.

Yam6 - can you confirm how the front of the TT bashplate connects to the bike frame - does it use the original M6 bolt locations that the plastic guard uses? as I would consider this a potential weak area too? (ideally you would convert the bike frame brackets to accept M8 bolts perhaps?)

The TT large guard certainly does look like it would do the job... although I have to say, I've found the OEM plastic bash plate very reliable, and at zero cost x

Goodness knows what you guys are doing to your bikes, having seen the state of some of your bashplates/bars!

xxx

YAM 6 08-04-09 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by hombacher (Post 87576)
Honestly I don't know where to write first. Here are so many TT threads started...


Nevertheless the headline of this thread is right.

Yesterday my large bash plate arrived. Just after a period of four month in which I could watch my TT tool box only.
My resume: these TT parts are not worth to wait for.

Okay, it is machined very well, it looks worthy and weights a lot.

My problems started when I tried to fit the left bracket to the front of the bike frame. It did not work. I had to adjust the bracket with a file.
After placed both brackets next problem arrived. Only with the motivation of a club hammer I was able to assemble the bolts bash plate to the brackets.

One joke at the end, due to the exhaust pipe I can not open the tool box lid very wide. I do not think that it is possible to put in a tool roll.

Compared to the original Yamaha alu bash plate the TT part gives no really plus or advantage. The Yamaha bash plate is machined good and fits like it has to be. It also looks nice cause of its slots, holes and intelligent placed rubber pins.
Only plus of TT is the possible protection of the waterpump. But now, somebody must explain me how to reach the oil screw left side.

After pounding around like a blacksmith I wanted to calm down just fitting the TT sprocket guard. I had to laugh when I saw that Yamaha also installed a chain guard (!) under the plastic cover. So the TT pronounced protection of the crank case or engine housing is already series.
Only mud lovers will see an advantage by easy cleaning or mud removal from that area around the sprocket.
Think by modifying the plastic cover you will have the same result.

Now you see me clueless, dumped some 250 EUR but do not feel really satisfied.


Gruss
hombacher

why did you not just send it back and say it dose not fit ?, and get your money back or maybe ask someone at touratech to look into it for you. you guys are very quick to have a go at touratech but you are the only one's to blame,
you never know there may have been a update on that part this sometimes happens at touratech.... i waited 6 months for my engine guard and it was sent back twice for fitting problems but good things come to those who wait.......it may cost me a bit more time and i don't care it fits great and i have not just lost my warranty on this part by grinding of filing in down or by hitting it with a BIG HAMMER ........you have!

"now who is to blame" :signthankspin:sean.

fridolin 09-04-09 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by hombacher (Post 87576)
Honestly I don't know where to write first. Here are so many TT threads started...


Nevertheless the headline of this thread is right.

Yesterday my large bash plate arrived. Just after a period of four month in which I could watch my TT tool box only.
My resume: these TT parts are not worth to wait for.

Okay, it is machined very well, it looks worthy and weights a lot.

My problems started when I tried to fit the left bracket to the front of the bike frame. It did not work. I had to adjust the bracket with a file.
After placed both brackets next problem arrived. Only with the motivation of a club hammer I was able to assemble the bolts bash plate to the brackets.

One joke at the end, due to the exhaust pipe I can not open the tool box lid very wide. I do not think that it is possible to put in a tool roll.

Compared to the original Yamaha alu bash plate the TT part gives no really plus or advantage. The Yamaha bash plate is machined good and fits like it has to be. It also looks nice cause of its slots, holes and intelligent placed rubber pins.
Only plus of TT is the possible protection of the waterpump. But now, somebody must explain me how to reach the oil screw left side.

After pounding around like a blacksmith I wanted to calm down just fitting the TT sprocket guard. I had to laugh when I saw that Yamaha also installed a chain guard (!) under the plastic cover. So the TT pronounced protection of the crank case or engine housing is already series.
Only mud lovers will see an advantage by easy cleaning or mud removal from that area around the sprocket.
Think by modifying the plastic cover you will have the same result.

Now you see me clueless, dumped some 250 EUR but do not feel really satisfied.


Gruss
hombacher

Did you talk to Touratech about your issues? If not, why not?

Peatbog 09-04-09 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by YAM 6 (Post 89158)
you guys are very quick to have a go at touratech


you've got to admit tho, most of the complaints at TT are due to availability issues rather than fitment - you have complained of this yourself.


Looking at the photo of the Yam bashplate breakage (bikings pic) with a fabricators eye, i would say that 90deg is quite a tight fold for a small tab of ally. i would imagine if the break was cleaned and welded (properly)it would probably be fine. This doesn't excuse Yam, but it would solve the problem IMO. if i had a failure like that on a product of mine/ours i would be checking the material specs to make sure the correct grade of ally was used, if it's not the right type then folding it wil very signifcantly reduce the strength at that point.

JMo 09-04-09 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peatbog (Post 89346)
Looking at the photo of the Yam bashplate breakage (bikings pic) with a fabricators eye, i would say that 90deg is quite a tight fold for a small tab of ally. i would imagine if the break was cleaned and welded (properly)it would probably be fine. This doesn't excuse Yam, but it would solve the problem IMO. if i had a failure like that on a product of mine/ours i would be checking the material specs to make sure the correct grade of ally was used, if it's not the right type then folding it wil very signifcantly reduce the strength at that point.

I totally agree - it is thin metal on a tight fold. Personally I would have liked to have seen a second tab (welded) that sandwiches the mounting point and the bolt passes through both of them?

I'm presuming the TT bash plate only has a single tab too?, albeit from thicker material by the look of it...

I reckon Petebog and I need to get our heads together - me with some cereal packets and he with his CNC machine, and I reckon we could have the definitive XTZ sump-guard knocked up in no time...

xxx

Peatbog 09-04-09 23:59

:icon_jokercolor:you never know!

P.s. CNC aint mine, it's next door :)

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 10-04-09 08:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peatbog (Post 89346)
you've got to admit tho, most of the complaints at TT are due to availability issues rather than fitment - you have complained of this yourself.


Looking at the photo of the Yam bashplate breakage (bikings pic) with a fabricators eye, i would say that 90deg is quite a tight fold for a small tab of ally. i would imagine if the break was cleaned and welded (properly)it would probably be fine. This doesn't excuse Yam, but it would solve the problem IMO. if i had a failure like that on a product of mine/ours i would be checking the material specs to make sure the correct grade of ally was used, if it's not the right type then folding it wil very signifcantly reduce the strength at that point.

Perhaps a two part (or even three or four) bashpate? with the mounting points made from something a little stronger, containing all the folds and the bashplate itself being attached to that ???

josephau 10-04-09 12:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMo (Post 89351)
I totally agree - it is thin metal on a tight fold. Personally I would have liked to have seen a second tab (welded) that sandwiches the mounting point and the bolt passes through both of them?

I'm presuming the TT bash plate only has a single tab too?, albeit from thicker material by the look of it...

I reckon Petebog and I need to get our heads together - me with some cereal packets and he with his CNC machine, and I reckon we could have the definitive XTZ sump-guard knocked up in no time...

xxx

Excellent, entrepreneurial spirit at work. I would love to see a big bashplate plus a tool box which are way better and fit better than TT, I would be extremely interested.

fridolin 10-04-09 17:12

Take a look at www.rms-rennsporttechnik.de
He could build a very good custom bashplate.

Biking 10-04-09 20:24

I've mounted the original bashplate and got for the broken bashplate some discount on a new Helmet (schuberth C3..... it's really quiet). I'm satisfied so far. Now I only have to claim or fix the engine bars

TimM 12-04-09 15:52

A local fabricator made this bash plate with bolt on tool boxes for me for my KTM Adventure, I dare say that something similar could be done for the Ten.

http://ktim.smugmug.com/photos/9168113_SY3ju-M.jpg

YAM 6 29-04-09 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by YAM 6 (Post 89158)
why did you not just send it back and say it dose not fit ?, and get your money back or maybe ask someone at touratech to look into it for you. you guys are very quick to have a go at touratech but you are the only one's to blame,
you never know there may have been a update on that part this sometimes happens at touratech.... i waited 6 months for my engine guard and it was sent back twice for fitting problems but good things come to those who wait.......it may cost me a bit more time and i don't care it fits great and i have not just lost my warranty on this part by grinding of filing in down or by hitting it with a BIG HAMMER ........you have!

"now who is to blame" :signthankspin:sean.


by now everyone that got the bash plate from touratech should have got the upgrade because i did.......and it was "free".

cannywabs 15-05-09 03:40

Touratech 12V socket
 
Hi, I ordered the Touratech Tenere 12v socket and when it eventually arrived I realised it was a small Hella type socket ( not stated) so I ended up having to buy an adapter for my sat nav. When I fitted the socket the cover for the wires wouldn't go on so ended up just taping them! Apart from that I wasn't impressed with the product for the money. Would have been easier getting one for a fiver off ebay and fitting it with an in-line fuse!!!

cannywabs 15-05-09 03:57

You have to stick up for Touratech though cos you got everything possible for the tenere for free!! People don't want to wait 6 months!


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