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Pasta 15-12-15 21:46

Rear entry helmet
 
Pretty sweet concept. Would like to try one.

https://youtu.be/lnydMibNojo

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 16-12-15 09:44

Just for the name alone... I could never own one.

ludicator 16-12-15 12:58

Bad naming aside (fire the marketing dept, will you), the concept is actually OK. Especially the easy removal in case of accident.

Pleiades 16-12-15 18:02

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Originally Posted by ludicator (Post 216736)
Especially the easy removal in case of accident.

I'm not entirely convinced on that one. After making contact with, and likely sliding down the road, the odds of the bungs (covering the emergency release screws) getting mashed up and being impossible to remove is pretty high. Also I'm not sure I fancy the chances of the release mechanism, hinges etc. still being operative after a big hit. Or, come to think of it, staying locked in an impact. I'd guess that it'll also be a lot heavier than a standard helmet design. Unnecessarily complicated for me I'm afraid.

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 16-12-15 21:34

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Originally Posted by Pleiades (Post 216744)
I'm not entirely convinced on that one.

and you'd be right.

Helmet removal requires that the neck be immobilised, you cannot do that and open a rear 'flap' at the same time. Helmets should be removed (if you know what you are doing, and understand when it should be done) in line with the spine.

Macca2801 17-12-15 03:06

Did you guys watch the release video of the helmet??
The accident removal is the front of the helmet is either pivoted up and over the face without moving the head of the patient at all or the hinge is released and the front section if removed entirely. The rear section is then left on the ground and actually cradles the patients head ready for the fitment of the neck brace.
Awesome design in principle and Im sure there will be alot more testing and evaluation in the future to see if the principle works in real life.
See the posted video show the QR label on the helmet that links paramedics to the procedure for releasing the helmet if they are unfamiliar?
Helmet Release EMS
http://www.vozzhelmets.com/

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 17-12-15 11:37

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Originally Posted by Macca2801 (Post 216759)
Did you guys watch the release video of the helmet??.

No, I didn't.

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Originally Posted by Macca2801 (Post 216759)
The accident removal is the front of the helmet is either pivoted up and over the face without moving the head of the patient at all or the hinge is released and the front section if removed entirely. The rear section is then left on the ground and actually cradles the patients head ready for the fitment of the neck brace.

And so here I stand... corrected.

Insofar as they make efforts to advise the Paramedics of these designs, some still don't know about Shoei's emergency removable cheek pads

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The removal is a bit faffy, fine if the rider is breathing - potentially deadly if not, if you have need to remove a lid, it's because there is a breathing problem, or risk of vomiting. Speaking personally, I live in an area with sporadic mobile coverage, so scanning a QR code is not an option, I guess a diagram on the lid would work though. Removing screws ??? A rider could easily have choked, swallowed their tongue or be drowning in vomit before you get the screws out.

Slightly less concerning, for the UK market, it is illegal to ride without your chin strap fastened. So this needs to be clarified in law, but that would form part of type approval so they wouldn't be able to sell it until that was resolved.

I still don't like the name though.

Pleiades 17-12-15 13:41

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Originally Posted by Macca2801 (Post 216759)
Did you guys watch the release video of the helmet??

Yep. Observation, comment and opinion was based solely on the information presented in the video.

Macca2801 17-12-15 14:15

So you observed in the video that undoing the release mechanism is a choice not a necessity. Removing the helmet is simply the two clips at the side. Done, flip off the front and perform CPR clear airway DRABC etc.
Removing the helmet with absolutely no chance of twisting or pulling on a compromised neck can also be achieved by removing two screws...pretty simply really... Even a paramedic could acomplish that if necessary.
I agree with the QR, Gulg, it may or may not be available to the EMTs but despite not knowing that...this design is eons in front of any other full face design when trying remove from an immobilized patient.
Not sure if it will be the be-all of helmet design in the future but is certainly the most revolutionary design I have seen in a helmet in the last 30 years.
Interesting to see that people's first reaction to anything unconventional is negative.

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 17-12-15 15:35

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Originally Posted by Macca2801 (Post 216776)
Not sure if it will be the be-all of helmet design in the future but is certainly the most revolutionary design I have seen in a helmet in the last 30 years.

On that, we agree. It will certainly cause a bit of a design think by the market leaders - if it takes off with the buying public. Maybe price will play a big part.

I've posted the link to the vid on our Blood Bike site, we have Paramedics in the group so it will be nice to get a professional opinion.

The name still sucks. They will need to change that for UK marketing, and believe it or not, that is my biggest issue with it.

Pleiades 17-12-15 19:12

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Originally Posted by Macca2801 (Post 216776)
So you observed in the video that undoing the release mechanism is a choice not a necessity. Removing the helmet is simply the two clips at the side. Done, flip off the front and perform CPR clear airway DRABC etc.

Yes, I got that from the video, but my doubt is whether that mechanism would remain operable after an impact? Access to the mouth for CPR etc. isn't really a new ground-breaking thing as flip-front lids have enabled this for some time. The BIG sales pitch on the video was more about the (rather complex) bung/screw/QR code method of complete removal being the big NEW safety benefit of this lid.

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Originally Posted by Macca2801 (Post 216776)
Removing the helmet with absolutely no chance of twisting or pulling on a compromised neck can also be achieved by removing two screws...pretty simply really... Even a paramedic could acomplish that if necessary.

In theory yes… but in practice, probably only if the bungs/screws are accessible and undamaged.

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Originally Posted by Macca2801 (Post 216776)
Interesting to see that people's first reaction to anything unconventional is negative.

Not so much negative, sceptical is probably how I’d describe myself. The idea is indeed an interesting one, and innovation is (generally) a good thing. It may well turn out to be the next big thing in helmet design, but it’s difficult not to be pragmatic when all you’ve got is, after all, a promotional video to go by. More evidence is needed. I can’t honestly say whether is going to be good or bad from what I’ve seen, only that I have a few reservations about its complexity and how it would perform in the real world as it stands at the moment. I’m open to the concept, but have yet to be convinced. Once there are some proper independent reviews available we’ll know better whether it’s going to be a winner or not. I wait with interest to hear the professional views of GULG’s paramedic friends…

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After doing a bit more looking I found that the VOZZ helmet is certified to ECE, DOT and AS/NZ standards, but their web site isn't overly clear on this and there's no detail or specifics. Apparently they're are available for sale in the Aussie we shop from 23rd December, but as yet there are no prices. So maybe we don't have too long to wait for an independent review in real world conditions...

Macca2801 18-12-15 02:08

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Originally Posted by Pleiades (Post 216784)
Apparently they're are available for sale in the Aussie we shop from 23rd December, but as yet there are no prices. So maybe we don't have too long to wait for an independent review in real world conditions...

Is "Rear Entry Helmet" their actual market line or just what people are referring to it as...agreed, they need to work on that!

The verbal and written response to price is "comparable to market" but that doesnt say much as the market in Aust is anything from $150-$1000.

I guess we have to wait the 5days till launch for actual pricing unless you wish to contact them for presales...Im not, so wont bother.

I wonder if this style of helmet will take off, I mean the chinstrap has always been a weak point in design of all helmets and necessitating the large lower opening. Its fiddly to fit, not always secured correctly with the compromise of the chinstrap firm for security or looser for comfort etc.
If the concept is workable I can see it being expanded for motor-racing, skydiving, just about anything requiring a helmet...interesting.
Hope it works well for them and inreturn...the consumer.

Macca2801 18-12-15 03:05

Just one persons comments from the recent launch in Aust who actually tried one.....
Just been to the official release/press day at Eastern Creek.
Easy on and off, plenty of ventilation, ADV with Peak is being considered for the next series.
Price is $888.00 rrp.

Very comfortable to wear, you forget it has no chin strap by the first corner, at modest speeds with NO ear plugs it had a noise level (for me) similar to my Zeus ADV with earplugs.
There is a variety of basic colours, so should match most common 'chaps'.
Riding about in 30 degree temps, the flow through ventilation kept things comfortable with the visor completely closed.

The team that developed this helmet are very committed and passionate and deserve success.

The helmet has been approved for use in North America, Europe and Oz.

the reptiles of the press will have more to say in the various publications at your favourite newsagent.

cheers
GregGS

Pleiades 18-12-15 15:39

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Originally Posted by Macca2801 (Post 216795)
Price is $888.00 rrp.

Interesting. �425 is a big outlay for a helmet, especially one that's somewhat of an unknown quantity. It's priced right up there with the very top-end of orthodox designs from the premium helmet brands.

There will of course be a reasonable number of early adopters who just have to have the "latest" thing at any price, but for the majority, it's probably a case of playing the waiting game... which isn't, I guess, going to help the concept take off in a hurry.

Macca2801 19-12-15 03:03

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Originally Posted by Pleiades (Post 216801)
Interesting. �425 is a big outlay for a helmet, especially one that's somewhat of an unknown quantity.

Unfortunately that's not outrageously priced in aust, it's at the higher end but there are plenty still higher.
As most states have just scrapped the specific AS 1898 helmet standard and chosen to accept DOT and ENCE means we should see a drop in overall cost of our helmets. This may have a flow on effect to the VOSS helmet.
Don't think this helmet is aimed at entry level though so I expected it to be a bargain, the R and D costs alone would have been phenomenal for a one off manufacturer.


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