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UKbri 09-05-15 22:42

Engine noise/knock
 
I thought I would post my experience with the good ol loose final drive nut. 'bikemad' did a good job reporting, but mine was slightly different. Mine happened at 149,100 kms. After this many K's I never thought it would happen, so just be mindful that it can happen at any time.
I heard a faint knock, and vibration just as I was pulling into Iguazu Falls (Yes I am Bragging). Turned it off and forgot about it. Came back a few hours later and rode off as normal forgetting about it. It was then clattering like a bastad. I nursed it 10 miles back to the hostel having a pretty good idea what it was. I tried 'bikemads' method of holding the front brake and loading it up but it made it better? This made me nervous that it wasn't the 'loose nut' as this method was supposed to make it worse!
I pulled the cover off and hoped for the best/worst?
I didn't remove the foot peg, but i did remove the two allen bolts that hold the rear brake slave cylinder on to drop the brake pedal down and give me clearance. I also didn't remove the clutch cover to remove the crankcase housing. Don't do this! You will never get it all back on in one piece. Easier to put them back on seperatly.
Luckily for me it WAS the loose nut and lucky for me the local Yammy dealer in 'Foz de Igaucu' had a crankcase cover gasket in stock. I also befriended 'Rod' who organises the local 'Horizons Unlimited' meetings down here. He is friends with the dudes at Yamaha and we managed to borrow a torque wrench and 36mm socket off them.
I re-used the old lock tab as one side was unused and they didn't have one in stock anyway. I had to use gasket sealer to glue the clutch cover on with as it ripped in half when i removed it. So my advise is get the 2 gaskets ordered up before you start.
Torqued it up to 120nm by stuffing rag between the gears to stop it moving. A trick i used to use when I was a car mechanic.
Got it all back together after 76 attempts to align the poxy clutch back into position. Sounded good and felt strong after.

Time to strip the engine, in a Brazilian Hostel-
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...psbjcaps75.jpg

Crankcase cover off in one piece, stupid idea-
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...pspa2fpxgk.jpg

Removed with fingers, No Bueno-
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...psufyalis3.jpg

Its good to have friends that have friends of friends-
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...psp5qufrjc.jpg

It be a 36mm I tells ya-
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...pswiycwitm.jpg

Stuff some rag in the gears to lock them up when torque-ing -
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...pszbcwncxk.jpg

Where's my apprentice when I need him? Gotta love gasket cleaning -
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...pskio2zx1m.jpg

Nearly back to normal-
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...psynydd30r.jpg

Its all good, LETS RIDE !

bikemad195 09-05-15 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by UKbri (Post 210138)
I thought I would post my experience with the good ol loose final drive nut. 'bikemad' did a good job reporting, but mine was slightly different. Mine happened at 149,100 kms. After this many K's I never thought it would happen, so just be mindful that it can happen at any time.
I heard a faint knock, and vibration just as I was pulling into Iguazu Falls (Yes I am Bragging). Turned it off and forgot about it. Came back a few hours later and rode off as normal forgetting about it. It was then clattering like a bastad. I nursed it 10 miles back to the hostel having a pretty good idea what it was. I tried 'bikemads' method of holding the front brake and loading it up but it made it better? This made me nervous that it wasn't the 'loose nut' as this method was supposed to make it worse!
I pulled the cover off and hoped for the best/worst?
I didn't remove the foot peg, but i did remove the two allen bolts that hold the rear brake slave cylinder on to drop the brake pedal down and give me clearance. I also didn't remove the clutch cover to remove the crankcase housing. Don't do this! You will never get it all back on in one piece. Easier to put them back on seperatly.
Luckily for me it WAS the loose nut and lucky for me the local Yammy dealer in 'Foz de Igaucu' had a crankcase cover gasket in stock. I also befriended 'Rod' who organises the local 'Horizons Unlimited' meetings down here. He is friends with the dudes at Yamaha and we managed to borrow a torque wrench and 36mm socket off them.
I re-used the old lock tab as one side was unused and they didn't have one in stock anyway. I had to use gasket sealer to glue the clutch cover on with as it ripped in half when i removed it. So my advise is get the 2 gaskets ordered up before you start.
Torqued it up to 120nm by stuffing rag between the gears to stop it moving. A trick i used to use when I was a car mechanic.
Got it all back together after 76 attempts to align the poxy clutch back into position. Sounded good and felt strong after.

Time to strip the engine, in a Brazilian Hostel-
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...psbjcaps75.jpg

Crankcase cover off in one piece, stupid idea-
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...pspa2fpxgk.jpg

Removed with fingers, No Bueno-
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...psufyalis3.jpg

Its good to have friends that have friends of friends-
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...psp5qufrjc.jpg

It be a 36mm I tells ya-
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...pswiycwitm.jpg

Stuff some rag in the gears to lock them up when torque-ing -
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...pszbcwncxk.jpg

Where's my apprentice when I need him? Gotta love gasket cleaning -
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...pskio2zx1m.jpg

Nearly back to normal-
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...psynydd30r.jpg

Its all good, LETS RIDE !

the 2nd time mine did it holding the brake dint make it show its head either lol the first time made it knock like hell lol, glad u got it sorted

Desert Racer 10-05-15 03:07

Job well done mate, enjoy the rest of your travels.

Ranger6 10-05-15 09:19

Credit where credit is due.
 
Fair play there I would not have known where to start cracking job.
Ranger6

Kev 10-05-15 09:38

Great job mate.:toot:

henston2 10-05-15 10:27

Nice work
 
Thanks for taking the time and trouble to take and post detailed information with pictures.
This could save hours of anxiety and head scratching in the future to us other owners.
Glad it all went well and you got on your way quickly considering where you were at the time.
Appreciated.
Are Yamaha aware of this problem?
Would it be acceptable to use threadlock as a backup?

bikemad195 10-05-15 13:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by henston2 (Post 210152)
Thanks for taking the time and trouble to take and post detailed information with pictures.
This could save hours of anxiety and head scratching in the future to us other owners.
Glad it all went well and you got on your way quickly considering where you were at the time.
Appreciated.
Are Yamaha aware of this problem?
Would it be acceptable to use threadlock as a backup?

The first time I did mine I used threadlock and both sides of the lock nut and it still did it again but there was no signs of any nut movement ...... when I was talking to somebody they mentioned crank stretch ........ SCARY I'm going to listen to someone's bike off here that's making strange noises .... IF it's this then I will make a complete step by step guide as I should of done from the start lol

cca 13-05-15 18:35

Hi.
My bike recently developed right foot-peg vibration. Can anyone here (who has experienced *loose nut* syndrome) confirm connection between this vibration and nut, please?
Thanks for opinions or experience about the source/reason for this.

UKbri 13-05-15 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by cca (Post 210378)
Hi.
My bike recently developed right foot-peg vibration. Can anyone here (who has experienced *loose nut* syndrome) confirm connection between this vibration and nut, please?
Thanks for opinions or experience about the source/reason for this.

The whole bike was vibrating when mine went. It wasn't subtle. The noise was more noticable than the vibration

cca 13-05-15 20:36

Thank you UKbri.

chmavr 19-01-16 16:03

Thank you for the guide!

Is there any serious need to tight the locknut except the noise problem???

UKbri 19-01-16 23:33

If I was staying in my local area and doing short trips I wouldn't bother. I would do it as a precaution if I was going on a long trip into foreign lands.

majland 17-03-19 22:06

Now i've been down the same road



https://youtu.be/GR5dxUWfeTk


It was definitely loose. If it wasn't for the this forum i have had more trouble finding the probable cause of the rattle.

To bad that the forum is close to EOL


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