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Andyboo 10-04-15 14:13

Electric problems
 
Hello all, I have just got my fork sent for repairs, and now the electrics have messed up, was out on a ride last night before fixing it, and my headlight bulb blew, pulled into a garage, bought a new one and fitted it, I carried on and 10 mins later my friend I was with pulled me over, he said my tail light wasn't working unless I braked (Led light) and the indicators stopped working, don't light up or make a sound
so my headlight bulbs keep blowing, side light doesn't work and tail light as well as indicators, does anyone know what the problem may be?? I've checked the wires are connected... The bike still starts and runs fine:

Macca2801 10-04-15 15:57

Can you get hold of a multimeter? If so put it across the battery terminals with the engine running and check the charge voltage should be 13.5-14.2v. Make sure you Rev the engine while doing the check as it might be fine while idling but when you Rev you might go higher. Really sounds like the regulator isn't regulating and your blowing bulbs from over voltage.
Matt.

Kev 11-04-15 08:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macca2801 (Post 208832)
Can you get hold of a multimeter? If so put it across the battery terminals with the engine running and check the charge voltage should be 13.5-14.2v. Make sure you Rev the engine while doing the check as it might be fine while idling but when you Rev you might go higher. Really sounds like the regulator isn't regulating and your blowing bulbs from over voltage.
Matt.

+1

Andyboo 11-04-15 17:44

Checked the voltage and it's around 13.5V, still no clue...

Andyboo 11-04-15 17:48

Also, my indicators won't work at all, checked the wires all seem fine, and replaced relay and still nothing, but when I set my alarm they light up but one side brighter than the other, unless it's just me

Pleiades 11-04-15 20:44

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Originally Posted by Andyboo (Post 208883)
Also, my indicators won't work at all, checked the wires all seem fine, and replaced relay and still nothing, but when I set my alarm they light up

If your charging voltage is OK, which it sounds like it is, then have a look at the fuses.

Have you checked the 10A fuse in the separate white holder to the rear of the main fuse box? This fuse supplies the indicators and tail/sidelights, which may explain why they both aren�t working yet everything else is fine (assuming your headlight stayed working after you replaced the bulb).

It is quite possible that the headlamp filament just blew (as they do) and momentarily cause a voltage spike, which in turn caused the tail/sidelight/indicator circuit�s fuse to blow (they headlight front sidelight share the same earth). The headlight�s circuit may have been able to take the spike as it�s rated at 20A.

I�d guess the reason the alarm still powers up the indicators is that it (or its circuit) provides the supply to the indicator relay, not the same fused supply that the handlebar switch uses.

Check the 10A fuse, replace if necessary. If it is the problem, watch out it doesn�t blow again as this will be a sign the something is still amiss. However, I reckon (assuming the headlight failing was the start of your woes) that it blowing is/was the route cause and you should be OK.

Andyboo 11-04-15 22:26

My indicators used to work fine same as tail light and the headlight bulb still kept blowing out, only the last time, my headlight blew it took the rest out :P Going to check fuse now

Andyboo 11-04-15 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleiades (Post 208887)
If your charging voltage is OK, which it sounds like it is, then have a look at the fuses.

Have you checked the 10A fuse in the separate white holder to the rear of the main fuse box? This fuse supplies the indicators and tail/sidelights, which may explain why they both aren�t working yet everything else is fine (assuming your headlight stayed working after you replaced the bulb).

It is quite possible that the headlamp filament just blew (as they do) and momentarily cause a voltage spike, which in turn caused the tail/sidelight/indicator circuit�s fuse to blow (they headlight front sidelight share the same earth). The headlight�s circuit may have been able to take the spike as it�s rated at 20A.

I�d guess the reason the alarm still powers up the indicators is that it (or its circuit) provides the supply to the indicator relay, not the same fused supply that the handlebar switch uses.

Check the 10A fuse, replace if necessary. If it is the problem, watch out it doesn�t blow again as this will be a sign the something is still amiss. However, I reckon (assuming the headlight failing was the start of your woes) that it blowing is/was the route cause and you should be OK.

You sir, derserve a medal, I never even saw that fuse I only saw the main box, checked it and that is the problem, ill go for a quick ride to see how my bulb gets along, thanks again!

abstra 15-04-15 19:46

where can i find this fuse? i have a damaged xtz and still have problems. I see one cable under the seat with a white 3 pin outlet for a diagnostic tool and a square connector with 4 black wires in it, connecting to nothing (maybe also for a diagnostic tool?)
can't find any extra fuse beside the main fusebox.
still have a code 51 fault, have had immobilizer, key's and ecu re programmed.
albert

Pleiades 15-04-15 20:12

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Originally Posted by abstra (Post 209065)
where can i find this fuse? i have a damaged xtz and still have problems. I see one cable under the seat with a white 3 pin outlet for a diagnostic tool and a square connector with 4 black wires in it, connecting to nothing (maybe also for a diagnostic tool?)
can't find any extra fuse beside the main fusebox.
still have a code 51 fault, have had immobilizer, key's and ecu re programmed.
albert

The separate white single fuse holder is only present on R/X models. All the fuses are contained within the main fusebox on the Z.

The empty square connector is for the optional alarm.

When you say error code 51, what are the symptoms and what is the engine trouble light doing when the bike is cranked and also when the ignition is turned on the the engine not running?

abstra 15-04-15 20:51

thnx, i found out after reading my Haynes. But here is the whole story;
bought a "wrecked" tenere 2013
brought the frame to a specialist, bought a new tank, headlight, fuel sensor, headlight wiring, tps sensor, tidy tail and more stuff.
reconnected the wiring and all the stuff, but had a immobilizer problem, code 41 and had only one black key.
have send ecu and immobilizer to shop and ordered original key and reprogram of the ecu. installed everything and now.........
code 51,
no headlights but pass button works (relay???),
no fuelpump noise (because of the faultcode from the immobilizer probably), engine go's around, will not start because the code 51.
first step: check the ecu shop if they have really tested the immobilizer antenne
second: test the light relay (doesn't hear a click when i push the low beam button)
third: ?????????????????????
any more suggestions???
albert

Pleiades 15-04-15 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by abstra (Post 209069)
no headlights but pass button works (relay???)

The headlights won't work off the switch unless the engine is running (the ECU is receiving a pulse from the crank position sensor which in turn controls the headlamp relay). They will work off pass switch, because that is a separate feed and is not controlled by the headlamp relay/ECU.

I would leave the headlight issue for now; it is just a result of the non-running condition.

Quote:

Originally Posted by abstra (Post 209069)
first step: check the ecu shop if they have really tested the immobilizer antenne

^^This is where I'd start. If you paid good money to get the ECU, keys and immobiliser sorted, and it doesn't work.

abstra 15-04-15 21:16

pleiades,
top info about the headlight, something hard to find in the haynes.
and yes, i started with a mail to the ecu shop to be sure about the immobilizer. first have to be sure about the immobilizer before getting on.
the XT is a nice project to get some experience on this bike and to make it my next travelbike.
i still have a Tiger 1050 to keep me on the road (brought me from europa all the way to the arctic circle in Alaska),
keep you informed, albert
albert

Steve'O 02-06-17 17:14

Tail light works but not break light?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleiades (Post 208887)
If your charging voltage is OK, which it sounds like it is, then have a look at the fuses.

Have you checked the 10A fuse in the separate white holder to the rear of the main fuse box? This fuse supplies the indicators and tail/sidelights, which may explain why they both aren�t working yet everything else is fine (assuming your headlight stayed working after you replaced the bulb).

It is quite possible that the headlamp filament just blew (as they do) and momentarily cause a voltage spike, which in turn caused the tail/sidelight/indicator circuit�s fuse to blow (they headlight front sidelight share the same earth). The headlight�s circuit may have been able to take the spike as it�s rated at 20A.

I�d guess the reason the alarm still powers up the indicators is that it (or its circuit) provides the supply to the indicator relay, not the same fused supply that the handlebar switch uses.

Check the 10A fuse, replace if necessary. If it is the problem, watch out it doesn�t blow again as this will be a sign the something is still amiss. However, I reckon (assuming the headlight failing was the start of your woes) that it blowing is/was the route cause and you should be OK.

Tail light works but not break light? do you have any ides what i may have done wrong?
Thanks

nikroc 02-06-17 20:00

have you checked the fuses yet?.


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