Will the CCM GP450 succeed?
 

I see today that CCM has delivered bike 001 to their first customer at the NEC show. But will they succeed? I�m interested in your views.

For me, if the bike was a 650 and less expensive I�d be very interested, as perhaps many other people might be too. So, hypothetically, let�s assume that is the case for now. The question I am interested in is this: �How many of us would be happy to buy a niche product from a small manufacturer?� How important are all the other factors in your bike purchases, such as:

� Dealer network and support /warranty
� Concerns over the longevity of the manufacturer and the length of the production run
� Limited opportunities to get a test ride
� Size of the aftermarket for extras and spares

If the bike was right for you, would you overlook all that, or would it be enough to put you off?

It�s a curious issue to me since the perfect lighter weight adventure bike doesn�t really exist from the main players, (a modified KTM 690 is as close as it gets for me, but it�s expensive once you�ve made all the mods needed), but small players (like CCM and WK) appear to be prepared to back that niche in the market. But can they succeed? What do you think?

I don't think this bike is expensive for the spec. Ask yourself which area of the bike would you compromise to lower the price...
would you like it heavier?
would you like just a basic suspension?
how about a tiny tank so you have to buy aftermarket straight away?
cheap wheels anyone?

There is plenty of compromised bikes on the market already and we end up modifying them until they are not cheap bikes anymore.

I would be willing to overlook a lot, all of it in fact, unfortunately it didn't feel like the bike for me, great bike nonetheless.

Saw an ad for it in ABR magazine and wondered about it alright. Who makes the engine they put in it? I'd always prefer something tried and tested over a low volume, craft assembled machine.

What is the RRP in the UK?

Dave

As far as I know the engine comes from BMW G450X I.e. Good starting point. The aforementioned after sales support, dealer network and aftermarket extras could be a problem during the life cycle. However engine parts will most likely be available.

That explains the front sprocket/swingarm pivot alignment. Always thought that was a great idea - no uncertainty with chain adjustment.

Kymco make the engine.......(pity it wasn't a 650....)


Have a wee peep here....

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=857243


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Can't remember where I saw it now but there's similar version being made(not by CCM) with an XT660 motor in it.

AJP....that for me would be the better moto...an easy engine not highly stressed or tuned...and well proven....


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Good job you posted that would driven me nuts trying to find it :icon_scratch:

That's what I was thinking of but I've seen a stripped version at a bike show some where

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1013515

The answer to your question yes I would be interested in buying say for example if it was a SM then I'd certainly would but not look at it anything with a European engine as they are way to fragile but as I've found in my life time opinions are always based on how much you have in the bank 30 years ago I'd have said no.

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How about one of these? Definitely tried & tested winning the Paris Dakar.
Got one in my 'Virtual' garage!

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Nice....(I wonder though could one get 100,000kms plus out of it without a strip down?)


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I spent some a decent amount of time riding a GP450 earlier this year and was generally quite impressed with it. It is infinitely better, and easier to ride off road than a T�n�r�, which is to be expected given the weight difference and the quality suspension. It�s the sort of bike that can make a decidedly mediocre off-road rider (me) feel really rather good!

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps0a2d45fe.jpg

Less impressive on the road though. Some odd ergonomics. The seat-peg-bar position isn't right and leaves you in a cramped position, despite having the optional high seat. The gearing isn't quite right either, particularly the spacing between them. The generic dash is cheap and nasty looking and lacks some fairly crucial warning information and the plastics feel low-rent and flimsy - not in keeping with the quality the cycle parts. (I've also never known a speedometer react so slowly to changes in road speed.) The headlight is far worse than the XTZ�s, and as we all know, that's bad enough! The petrol filler, being where it is, is a real ball-ache if you want to carry any luggage (other than CCM's own (expensive) offering which is tailored around the filler). To give CCM their dues, the test bike I had was a late prototype. However, the production models don't appear to be significantly different?

Will it succeed?? I'd like to think it will, being a hand-built British bike. It looks good and feels good. It's definitely an excellent off-road proposition. Plus, it�ll set you apart from the crowd and make you feel a bit different, a bit special. For the rider who spends a lot of time on the lanes and trails in their home country, riding maybe no more than 80-100 miles to get to them, it would be ideal IMHO.

Sadly, I'm not entirely convinced it will be a long-term success? A long distance, touring, commuter or RTW bike it is not. For me, the engine's reliability would always be a nagging worry if I owned one. I'd also have to spend a good chunk of hard-earned cash on sorting the riding position and ergonomics out, which all adds costs on top of what is an already rather salty price tag.

AJP�s XT660-powered offering, although a good chunk heavier than the CCM, looks more my cup of tea�

Interesting to read hands on review of the CCM, the issues mentioned would be my worry if I was in the market for something similar. CCM seem to use good components but the combination doesn't appear to work? My eldest son had a Rotax engined CCM which was an awful machine so I'd be biased!
The AJP does sound better - think they were at the Dirt Bike Show in Stoneleigh I was over for if I remember rightly?

For those interested in such good article in Todays MCN (12/01/15 about the AJP.

Yeah I've actually seen that one in the flesh and it really does look the dogs, but I'd have my reservations about using that rear tank as a structual part. It was made well out of alloy, but I would prefer to see some struts to support the rear of the seat and a seperate tank. But then I was an engineer!:tongue1: