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marques 11-01-14 13:51

Valve clearance settings
 
Just a quick question regarding the valve clearance settings. is it better to adjust the valve clearance to the tighter side or the loose side of the specification range?

Pleiades 11-01-14 14:16

You'll get many different views and opinions on this on this one I'm sure!

For me personally, I always set them at the looser end of the range. Why? Because valves clearances close up over time and a tight valve is much more damaging than a loose one, so I like to give a little room for this. Plus, with screw and lock nut adjusters, I always find that no matter how hard you try to hold the screw while you tighten the lock nut, it'll always nip up a fraction further than you had it set.

marques 11-01-14 22:44

Great. But why then would others adjust to the tighter end of the range? As far as I can see this would be counter productive, not only potentially damaging but also shorten the adjustment period?
Are there performance benefits? Again common sense tells me the opposite would be true as the capacity would be reduced?

marques 12-01-14 10:05

Exhaust valve clearance
 
I remember reading somewhere that it is possible to adjust the exhaust valve clearance without removing the radiator or draining the radiator. How is this possible?

Kev 12-01-14 10:48

Undo the radiator mounts & move it forward leave the coolant pipes on & cooling system full no need to drain it.

Pleiades 12-01-14 10:57

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Originally Posted by marques (Post 195980)
Great. But why then would others adjust to the tighter end of the range? As far as I can see this would be counter productive, not only potentially damaging but also shorten the adjustment period?
Are there performance benefits? Again common sense tells me the opposite would be true as the capacity would be reduced?

I guess one might err on the tighter side of the acceptable range because of wanting a quiet, less "tappety" engine. The risk is, as you suggest, that as the valve seats regress, they will become over-tight sooner as there is no room, or spare capacity to allow for this.

Anywhere within tolerance will not be detrimental to performance, only if the motor runs outside the clearance range will issues occur.

Some of the symptoms associated with tight valves:

They won't close properly, resulting in loss of compression and power and there is a risk of burnt/melted exhaust valves and engine damage. Poor starting and rough running, particularly at tick-over. Worse economy. The top end will run quiet.

Some of the symptoms associated with loose valves:

The valves won't open fully, so exhaust gases won't be scavenged properly on the exhaust stroke and a full charge of fuel/air may not be drawn in on the induction stroke, all meaning a loss of power. Poor running at higher revs. Worse economy. The top end will be noisy.

Pleiades 12-01-14 11:00

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Originally Posted by Kev (Post 196005)
Undo the radiator mounts & move it forward leave the coolant pipes on & cooling system full no need to drain it.

+1 No need to remove radiator on the Z as Kev says. There is enough flexibility in the hoses to get the room you need, but you do need to be fairly dextrous!

marques 12-01-14 13:42

Exhaust valve clearance
 
Managed to get it done in the dark with a torch. Not without event though, one of my sprocket cover bolts broke of in the hole.
The hardest thing was getting the feel for the clearance with the feeler, and I'm still not sure if it's correct or not. The clearance seemed way out on both the intake and exhaust

marques 13-01-14 05:56

Valve clearance settings
 
I think I have over loosened my exhaust valves. The power output is okay but there is a clear tapping noise coming from the engine.
I'm i okay to leave as is?

This is doing my head in, I really can't be sure if the sound was there before or if it is an okay sound.

WeaveMcQuilt 13-01-14 23:55

How are things now? Has it settled in or are you still concerned?

I'd just like to ask what your mileage is? And what prompted you to do the clearances.

I'm at 14,500 miles now and i know for a FACT that valve clearances weren't done by my dealer at my 12,000 mile service (but they should have been!).
So I'm thinking of doing it myself... probably this week if I order new O-rings.

marques 14-01-14 01:00

I have 37000 on the clock and I'm sorry to say that I distrust all dealerships. I'm afraid they really have earned their reputation.

I had a few jobs I wanted to do like block the ais pipe, spark plug, fit a speedo healer etc so I thought I would do the valve clearances at the same time. Glad I did now.

After adjusting them once and hearing a large taping noise. I decided to dismantle the whole bike again and recheck. Good job I did follow my intuition because they were way out. It was my first time so It turns out I was using the feelers the wrong way. Kind of overthinking it. It's really incredible simple.

Any put my bike together again and now the rev meter has gone up by just under 500 rpm in neutral. So they were clearly way of the mark. I thought it was strange when I adjusted the idle speed a few months ago because it required quite a few rotations.

One thing I recommend is to replace all the bolts and washers along the way. I had like 4 or 5 snap on me whilst tightening to below the torque specification. Unbelievable it's made out of complete .....

WeaveMcQuilt 14-01-14 15:35

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Originally Posted by marques (Post 196110)
...I'm sorry to say that I distrust all dealerships. I'm afraid they really have earned their reputation.

Agreed! Much more fun to do it yourself anyway.

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Originally Posted by marques (Post 196110)
It's really incredible simple.

I'll let you know :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by marques (Post 196110)
One thing I recommend is to replace all the bolts and washers along the way. I had like 4 or 5 snap on me whilst tightening to below the torque specification. Unbelievable it's made out of complete .....

Thanks for the tip, ordering a set of stainless engine bolts later.


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