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Tenere vibes
Not been here for a while but Super 10 now gone and I have bought a 660 which I plan to use on and off road.
After picking it up I rode 70 odd miles home and 1st thing I noticed was the horrendous vibes / noise and lack of pull, now I had a new one of these back in 09 and don't remember them being this bad, in fact mine was pretty smooth for a single and so was a 07 660r I had, both also pulled really well. This one has MTC cans which is the only mod as far as I can see, std air filter, new'ish C&S so the dampened OEM front sprocket will have gone. changed the oil and filters + new plug as a matter of course. Also mate has one identical except he has Leo Vinci cans, his is so much smoother and pulls really well and his ain't got any rubbers on the pegs with Renthal bars and no bar weights !! Any ideas on what's causing the vibes gents :icon_frown: |
Check all the engine mounting bolts are super tight.
Does it still have the oe bar weights on? O2 mod makes it a little smoother too. I'd do a filter/snorkel/fuel mod as a matter of course to get it running nice. |
If you think you might be suffering excessive vibrations, the first place I would look is the front engine mounts. If they are not correctly torqued, too loose or too tight for that matter, then the vibes do increase quite significantly.
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Cheers for the pointers guys, also remembered the previous said he had sorted the cush drive using inner tube :idea1: so I'll have a poke about in there too.
Its got yam hand guards so bar weights are off. |
Having a think about it, has anyone ever heard of engine mounts slackening off on these ? not something I have come across.
Rode it into work for the 2nd time this morning after having forks re-sprung with Wilbers progressives / doing a service, pumping up the tyres / fixing a few bits and making a luggage plate for the arse end. Still mucho vibey so strip down when I get chance :089: |
i think it happens if a engine guard is fitted. i noticed mine was making a different vibe when the enigne was reving at certain revs so i checked the bolts and found one had loosened off by about two turns. did it up tight and vibes wen tback to what i remember.
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Valid point :023: well i will do them then thats one ticked off the list
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How many miles you got on you Tenere and how many have you done each year?
My tenere was so bad on the vibes that i wanetd to get rid as soon as i can. I bought her at 3 years old with 2.5k on her. She did 500 miles int eh last 2 years! But one day arodun 5k i ran a tank of Vpower and half way through the vibes stopped..and i mean stopped...not faded away..not in my head..not a placeabo effect..they stopped. They were so bad when at 60 mph that i could not read road signs as my vision was getting blurred....not good at all. I now have 8.5 k on here and the vibes are so small and so smooth. What i think happened is that a lack of use gums everthing up inside and with use and the cleaning stuff in vpower it sort of well..started working as it was designed. Last weekend i rode 640 miles in one day and almost all at 80-85 mph. it was all smooth and fine. Mike |
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:icon_joker: I'm off to buy some anyway. Might even bung in some FI system cleaner too... |
No i don't. But a tank of the stuff worked for me and i get better MPG on super unleaded so the extra cost is netural.
I now use anyold stuff and it's all great. Although i did notice at the weekend that on my commute i get 250 miles to F-trip but at 80mph it dropped to 180. But thats not surprising really. Mike |
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As to vibes I feel the same way, its driving me nuts, I have owned a new one in 09 and ridden a 20k mile one the other day and both were pretty smooth, mine is like a jackhammer. It is stripped down as of yesterday, I have checked the engine mounts and the only slack one was the rear/swingarm one. I popped the front sprocket cover and can see nothing amiss with the (newish) front cog or DID chain either. Fitting h/grips and power socket currently but when its all back together i'll report back , I have got me straw hat ready and happy to eat it if that engine mount has cured the vibes though :toothy3: |
Well I always use some STP or Redex or similar in my XT every 6 weeks or so just to keep it clean and running well. We do get loads of much in the talk with our petrol so we need to clean out the system from time to time, I too have tried V Power diesel in my car once or twice and it really does seem to run more smoothly, but I prefer to add some STP and use normal fuel.
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Well stripped it and checked all of the engine mounts, rear one was slightly out but the rest all ok. Checked all through the drive and everything seems fine DID chain and correct sprockets, no run out.
Put some fuel system cleaner / stabilizer in and came to work on it yesterday, still too many vibes, no real change. Vibes are definitely engine related as they are there with clutch in and a few revs, I am stumped. I will run a couple of tanks of super octane even though I will eat me hat if it fixes it but if it does that's a cheap fix for me :003: |
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Has been known to happen before on brand new bikes, but obviously more common on older ones. Is it making any unusual noises from the right hand side crankcase? |
the nut coming lose on ktm's is quite common. its not something daft like the front wheel out of balance is it?
can;t remember if you said if it has the OE yamaha wieght on the bars? |
How is this going..did the super fix it?
mike |
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Could be a long shot - especially since I'm not too sure of the tener exhaust set up - but from new my XTR vibrated badly. Turns out that one of the pipe clamps that connects the header pipe to the muffler was welded on at a funny angle. When the pipe clamp was tightened, the tightening-bolt was so close to the frame that it made contact when the engine was running (only when the engine was running and worse at certain revs) - causing annoying vibes. I grinded (ground?) away end of the bolt to shorten it and - no vibes... well, just the standard vibes.
Anyway, maybe something else to have a look at. |
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Gonna have another good go at it this weekend Filled up with 98 octane this morning too :thumbsup: cos you never know |
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I've never noticed this on mine. I thnk mine rides better and feels smoother with a full tank.
mike |
Well half way through 1st tank of dear stuff, no change.
I have checked all exhaust clamps and none are touching the frame :011: that would have been a great easy fix. I have emailed the previous for any clues as I am loosing patience and getting to the point where I may have to put it into a stealers which is going to cost big coin I suspect where I would prefer to fix it myself. Think I may put the std exhaust back on too although no one has mentioned this being a poss cause ? One that came to me in the early hours, what are the symptoms of being out I tooth on the cam timing ? or would it just not run ? maybe clutching at straws but need to get it sorted as I am wanting to ride it less and less. |
The only thing to do is to meet with somebody who has a Tenere without vibration problems and compare.
Thats the only way to tell if it's the bike or not. You need to try this before doing anything else just to make sure. As i've previously said mine was really bad fomr 2.5k until 4k. Then it sort of went away and now i find it very smooth indeed. It was so bad that i was trying to swap it for somehting without loosing to much money..so i understand fully where you are at. I'm near Salisbury if i can help. Mike |
I would imagine it would run like an out an out dog if at all if it had been setup wrong on the timing chain front.
It may throw an engine light too. My guess is it's not that. I'm gonna go back to beginning of the post to see what you have done and see if I can think of anything . |
Ok you have tried loads of stuff.
I would check front wheel balance anyway as you never know and a big single will always vibe like mad went revv'ed standing still. Mine is super smooth but when standing still and slowly going up in rev's at about 3800/4000 the front starts vibing like mad but that doesn't happen on the road. So you could be wrongly diagnosing that one. stick a wheel weight on or pull one off and see if it changes. (worth a shot) You mention that it's definitely engine related because it still vibes with the clutch pulled in and just a few revs? is that while you are going along ? because to me that would suggest running gear and not the engine as any engine vibes should disappear when you pull the clutch and go to tickover. Are the handle bars standard ? is that where your major complaint on vibes is coming from ? if so try shortening them by half an inch or more if you are comfortable with narrower bars, vibrations through bars is all about frequency and if you change the length of the bars it will help. have you filled the bars up with sand ? some people do and say good things about that. front tyre pressure and trueness of the tyre, I chased an unbalanced wheel on an audi for weeks and it turned out to be an oval tyre (it was brand new and had a defect) check the timing as you suspect it, it shouldn't be hard to check, not sure on the Ten as I haven't delved into it yet but there's probably and inspection hatch somewhere. so is this what is happening? you are driving at say 70 and getting vibes and you pull the clutch and are still doing 70 and the vibes haven't changed at all ? that's running gear. |
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Talk to Brian, the sevice manager at Alf Englands, they are fairly near you and Brian is a very helpful fellow and may have some ideas??????
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20+ k miles and been used offroad mine 19k year older TCK80's well worn Mine has Avon Distanza's which I have no experience of offroad footpegs ie no rubbers mine has rubbers Renthal bars , no weights mine is all original spec Leo Vinci cans which are well loud mine has MTC cans Now his rode as I remember my new in 09 one, good pull and smooth at higher revs, funny thing is he has not had one before and has spent weeks playing with the fuelling etc to get it to run smoother, after riding mine he is now happy with his :eusa_think: I have had 2 660R's, a SM and a new Tenere in 09 although the fuelling on the SM was appalling none of them vibed like this one. Again thanks to all for all and any advice, I was going to take it to a local Yam dealer but I have little faith in the ones in my area :107: |
Try undoing the handlebar clamp bolts,remove the bars and re-position slightly and re-fit as per the manual.
Again remove the mirrors and see if there is any change. I've had a few issues in the past with vibes after changing things in the handlebar and enginebar areas. |
well I have tried everything I can think of and its still horrendous to ride so I am weighing it in tomorrow as unlike some I will not pass on a bike I know to have issues to some other poor ****** to sort out.
I have removed as much bling as I can to try and recoup some coin as I am getting rock bottom p/x price for it so I am out of the XT fold again till the next one :toothy9: Ride safe all |
Here's a weird one, took my bar end weights off the other day as I was messing about with the position of everything on the bars and went out the next day without them on.
Made no difference at all, if anything slightly less engine vibe....weird :-~ |
Well I took the Yam hand guards off , put OEM bar ends on, took MTC cans off and put original on. Thought it might make a difference, did a bit but to be honest the bike was a runt, get one every now and again, had it with cars too. Everything I touched on the bike went tits, oil all over the drive, snapped bolts, skinned knuckles, bolts and nuts fall into the depths and its a full feckin strip to find them etc. Had 5x 660's and apart from the fuelling on the SM all have been fine but not this one, i'll have another but bought a new crf for now so no messing just riding
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Good luck with the CRF mate...
I think one of the previous posts might be on the money re fuelling. Imo these things are affected by small changes to intake and exhaust changes. Mine was unhappy when I changed to an oiled foam filter! It's also gone through a bad-vibe period, and I think it was the chain flogging around as it doesn't do it any more since I loosened it off. It vibrated badly through the pegs and tank, mainly. This isn't the first bike I've owned that hated a too-tight chain. Toolish of me to get something so basic wrong, but there you are. Hope you get it sorted. |
I had the same problem with my bike. He has 27K km and I found slightly out engine mounts but the noise and vibrations ware coming from the rear one just bellow the swingarm.
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