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Eddiw 04-09-13 17:09

Drive kit comments?
 
I am going to change my drive line during the winter and want a 46-teeth rear sprocket.

I have seen this package and I'm curious if somebody have experience about the kit? I can get a 46-teeth rear sprocket in that kit. But all input about quality and so on is much appreciated.

The kit:
http://www.lellesmcdelar.se/drivpake...ingskedja-6053
(Swedish)

Thanks in advance!

majland 04-09-13 18:46

I've not been to happy with DC chains. Worked fine on the XT but was not strong enought for the xtz 750. I would never buy a drive kit without knowing exacltly which chain the supplied


List of chains on my XTZ750:
15417km DID 520 VM
6033km DC 520 MTX <<<<<<
28050km DID 530VM Gold
23048km DID 525ZVM Gold and still fine

The reason to ride "Gold" chains is that i'm using a chain olier thar keeps the inner of the chain well oiled but the outside can easily get a bit rusty.

List of chains on my XT600Z:
8087km RK 520 XSO
20440km DID 520VM k�de
19982km DC 520 MXO <<<<<< That one lasted fine
9131km CZ 520 ORM (only winter on salty roads and offroad)
4125km CZ 520 ORM chain broke and damaged the engine. Pictures on http://majland.org/blog/?p=220

Since you are looking at a swedish page i guess you are in europe. Then also ask http://kedo.com/ if they can supply you with the size you wants.

Eddiw 04-09-13 21:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by majland (Post 191544)
I've not been to happy with DC chains. Worked fine on the XT but was not strong enought for the xtz 750. I would never buy a drive kit without knowing exacltly which chain the supplied


List of chains on my XTZ750:
15417km DID 520 VM
6033km DC 520 MTX <<<<<<
28050km DID 530VM Gold
23048km DID 525ZVM Gold and still fine

The reason to ride "Gold" chains is that i'm using a chain olier thar keeps the inner of the chain well oiled but the outside can easily get a bit rusty.

List of chains on my XT600Z:
8087km RK 520 XSO
20440km DID 520VM k�de
19982km DC 520 MXO <<<<<< That one lasted fine
9131km CZ 520 ORM (only winter on salty roads and offroad)
4125km CZ 520 ORM chain broke and damaged the engine. Pictures on http://majland.org/blog/?p=220

Since you are looking at a swedish page i guess you are in europe. Then also ask http://kedo.com/ if they can supply you with the size you wants.

Thank you for the thorough answer :)
I think I'l skip the kit from lelles then..

Does the kit below look good and fit my 2007 xtx without any problem?
http://www.off-the-road.de/en/XT-660...660-HEAVY.html

It's a 525 did chain and "german made" sprockets..

I want to have;
Front sprocket: 15 teeth
Rear sprocket: 46 teeth
Chain type: what should I choose? Open or closed?

Will check kedo.com as well. :) (lives in Sweden)

majland 04-09-13 23:07

DID's chains are among the best and wider one (525 enstead of a 520) will last longer if its cared for.

But if you want it to really last long be aware that even a riveted connection might be a weak point. So you might consider buying the chain as and endless one ( http://www.off-the-road.de calls it a closed chain). It is more trouble fitting it (have to disassemble more, but a good time to grease everything in the suspension and bearings)

SimonRoma 04-09-13 23:49

Goodness, I have 23k km on a 2 year old XT660X so I guess I must change chain and sprockets soon??? I am a total DID fan xxxx

Eddiw 05-09-13 05:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by majland (Post 191552)
DID's chains are among the best and wider one (525 enstead of a 520) will last longer if its cared for.

But if you want it to really last long be aware that even a riveted connection might be a weak point. So you might consider buying the chain as and endless one ( http://www.off-the-road.de calls it a closed chain). It is more trouble fitting it (have to disassemble more, but a good time to grease everything in the suspension and bearings)

Ok, thank you :)

But there is no trouble to fit a 525 chain instead of the standard 520?
It sounds interesting to buy a closed chain, but as you say more trouble.. I should grease the backswing so probably it is a good time to do that when I change the drive line.. But how much weaker is an open chain? Is it possible to make the closed chain open if I have to remove it or do I have to buy a new chain in that case? I don't think I want to remove the swing If I have to remove the chain for some reason.. And do I get the right length of the chain when byuing a closed one? In some cases when byuing a chain it has to be shortened, am I right?


Another question as well:
Does an alu sprocket works good or is it much weaker than a sprocket in steel?
Thought of this:
http://www.off-the-road.de/en/XT-660...ium-XT660.html

It must be some benefit in performance with a leightweight sprocket?

majland 05-09-13 07:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddiw (Post 191569)

But there is no trouble to fit a 525 chain instead of the standard 520?

Normally not - but a 525 is also heavier

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddiw (Post 191569)
It sounds interesting to buy a closed chain, but as you say more trouble.. I should grease the backswing so probably it is a good time to do that when I change the drive line.. But how much weaker is an open chain? Is it possible to make the closed chain open
...
In some cases when byuing a chain it has to be shortened, am I right?

You can just open it with a chain tool and use a rivet link to close it again. It is the same as when your shorten it. If you by a closed chain you have to make sure that you get it in the right length.


Quote:

Does an alu sprocket works good or is it much weaker than a sprocket in steel?

It must be some benefit in performance with a leightweight sprocket?
In my experience alu sprockets does not last as long as steel. So if you wants longevity 525 and steel, if your wants performance then 520 and leightweight alu :-)

Eddiw 05-09-13 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by majland (Post 191571)
Normally not - but a 525 is also heavier



You can just open it with a chain tool and use a rivet link to close it again. It is the same as when your shorten it. If you by a closed chain you have to make sure that you get it in the right length.




In my experience alu sprockets does not last as long as steel. So if you wants longevity 525 and steel, if your wants performance then 520 and leightweight alu :-)


Thank you very much for your aswers! Much appreciated! :)
I think I go for a 520 chain and perhaps alu ;)
I don't mind changing it a little bit more often..
Don't want to miss any performance ;)

Petenz 05-09-13 11:25

just wondering why 46 teeth ?...
46 teeth rear is the same as droping the front sprocket 1/3 of a tooth..
the diffrents over the standard 45 tooth sprocket will most lightly
be un-noticeable...

1 tooth on the front = 3 teeth on the rear..





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majland 05-09-13 13:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddiw (Post 191574)
I think I go for a 520 chain and perhaps alu ;)
I don't mind changing it a little bit more often..

Just go with the best possible quality and it will also last long - in my book that is DID.

You can also choose a chain wheel with an alu center and steel teeth: http://www.off-the-road.de/XT-660-Z-...er-XT-660.html

Kedo gives a 2 year or 20.000km warranty on their DID VX2 gold chain kits. http://kedo.com/products/92684.html with standard 15/45 but just ask for 46 instead if that is what you wants.

(And a 1 year or 10000km on the slightly cheaper VX chain)

majland 08-09-13 15:29

PS if you go with a 46 enstead of 45 you might need a 112 link chain enstead of 110.

Eddiw 08-09-13 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by majland (Post 191749)
PS if you go with a 46 enstead of 45 you might need a 112 link chain enstead of 110.

Yes, ordered a 112 length chain :)
But thanks for the tip anyway :)

Hunday 24-06-15 18:49

I always ran my XT660R on a 46 tooth rear , as I loved to wheelie , but with the Tenere , I prefered the std 45 tooth rear
But as Ive always had high chain wear, im interested in the 520 vs 525 option.
I found this on the net
Quote !researched this a couple weeks ago, as I came from a drive-shaft bike, and had no idea of what these chain numbers meant.

The 5 part just describes the distance between the centers of the link pins (or wherever on the links, basically how long a link is) and the next two numbers describe the width of the chain. So a 520 chain is going to be narrower than a 525(and thus require a narrower front and rear sprocket) and lighter...this is not necessarily a good thing. Wear and durability will be affected, so you can expect your chain to not last as long, especially with the copious amount of torque that our bikes produce, all to save a few grams of rotating mass. It's up to you to decide if you can tolerate a shorter lived chain to gain performance. When I was researching it, I found other sites (the most helpful was in reference to trick riding Japanese bikes) that basically said, don't go under a 525 if you have over 1000cc--remember these guys are pretty much only doing wheelies and stuff like that, so keep that in consideration...their chains must be stronger to withstand what they do.

A 530 chain is wider still than a 525, so it is going to weigh more, last longer, etc...so far I haven't seen any even available for our bikes, so this is a mute point.

One big point to consider though is: Do you want to replace the front and rear sprockets? if not, a 520 chain is out of the question. if so...you will have to do it all at once...no incremental changes like going to a 14T front sprocket instead of stock 15T at a later date.

sweller 25-06-15 06:23

I run DiD gold and black X ring 525 chain and pattern steel sprockets with a good working Scottoiler.

I have just changed the chain after 11,800 miles (about 19,000km). I only changed it because I'm about to go on a 4-5000 mile trip so it was "just in case".

The chain I took off (DiD gold and black) looked like it still had plenty of life left in it, with a nice "tight" feel.

I'll keep it to refit when when the new chain is worn out.

I use a rivet link to join the chain, which I do myself - I wouldn't be that unhappy using a spring link.


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