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Hocky 14-06-12 08:32

Another tenere with rusty spokes
 
Picked up my new (to me) tenere yesterday.
It's a 58 plate with only 1861 miles from new.
It's been garages all it's life and never seen rain but the spokes have gone rusty.
This must be a case of poor steel use

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 14-06-12 09:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hocky (Post 174499)
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It's been garages all it's life and never seen rain but the spokes have gone rusty.

It has certainly seen water.... or it wouldn't rust. So maybe it has been in a damp garage ??

Given that it has such low mileage, and you have seen signs of corrosion I think a proper going over is in order.

By proper, I mean the lot, head bearing, swing arm bearings, wheel bearings, the rectifier connection, cable inspection/lubrication, break fluid change (and brake strip) , oil change and a good check over of all the other exposed moving parts.

SimonRoma 14-06-12 09:56

Yeah rust comes from damp, so even if the bike is not used if it has been kept in a damp store (garage or whatever) then rust is inevitable. You need to run over the whole bike and before you get round to sorting all of the points mentioned by our mate above you also need to cover the bike with WD40 or similar to combat the corrosion. PLENTY of oil and grease required!!!

Hocky 14-06-12 12:07

Thanks for the replys
I will have a check over it.
It has just had a full service at a bike shop before I collected it though.
There is no other corrosion on the bike just the spokes.

Hocky 14-06-12 12:09

Thanks for the replys
I will have a check over it.
It has just had a full service at a bike shop before I collected it though.
There is no other corrosion on the bike just the spokes.

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 14-06-12 12:42

I tremble when I hear bike shops say things like "full service".....

Does that mean a major or interim service?, because 'full' isn't listed in the manufactures literature....

Head bearings would only be checked for play, not taken apart and re-greased. Same is true for swing arm.

In fact I suspect the bike has had an interim, Oil, Filter and check, which will all have come out as OK, it's only when you start putting miles on a low mileage bike (or car even) that the problems associated with low mileage examples start to show.

I'm a bit of a sceptic on these things, don't let me put you off your new bike, they are pretty bulletproof in most hands, there are the odd problem machine but on the whole they won't let you down. Even a completely sha99ed head bearing is hard to notice :icon_blackeye: er,, apparently!

Woottonboy 14-06-12 14:36

I'll argue the point
 
To start with the spokes are not stainless steel they are simply galvanized.

Old (Japan built XT600's) used to have proper stainless steel spokes.

The corrosion on the spokes is the bi-metal in the brake pads coming off (very hot, very hot, ouch ouch) as a fine mist that then burns onto the spoke coating. Galvanic effect occurs between the bi metal brake dust and the spoke coating removing the thin coat leaving the metal spokes to rust.

Yamaha had to save money somewhere.

mash101 14-06-12 15:11

Yup, my X with 6k miles on it is showing signs of rust on front spokes. Rear is regularly coated in chain lube & ACF50, so is in better condition. I wiped WD40 all over front spokes last weekend, so fingers crossed it won't get too bad. Anyone know a cost effective method of stopping this? Kurust? Hammerite?? Not sure I can afford/justify having rims rebuilt with stainless spokes....

Hocky 14-06-12 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gas_Up_Lets_Go (Post 174526)
I tremble when I hear bike shops say things like "full service".....

Does that mean a major or interim service?, because 'full' isn't listed in the manufactures literature....

Head bearings would only be checked for play, not taken apart and re-greased. Same is true for swing arm.

In fact I suspect the bike has had an interim, Oil, Filter and check, which will all have come out as OK, it's only when you start putting miles on a low mileage bike (or car even) that the problems associated with low mileage examples start to show.

I'm a bit of a sceptic on these things, don't let me put you off your new bike,
they are pretty bulletproof in most hands, there are the odd problem machine
but on the whole they won't let you down. Even a completely sha99ed head
bearing is hard to notice :icon_blackeye: er,, apparently!



Yes I know what you mean, I never trust bike shops myself.
I do all my own servicing and maitenance.
I will have a good look over the weekend and fingers crossed wont find anything.

Hocky 14-06-12 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woottonboy (Post 174530)
To start with the spokes are not stainless steel they are simply galvanized.

Old (Japan built XT600's) used to have proper stainless steel spokes.

The corrosion on the spokes is the bi-metal in the brake pads coming off (very hot, very hot, ouch ouch) as a fine mist that then burns onto the spoke coating. Galvanic effect occurs between the bi metal brake dust and the spoke coating removing the thin coat leaving the metal spokes to rust.

Yamaha had to save money somewhere.

Thanks for the info, that's interesting.
I will get the wire wool out and try and clean it all off and put sme wheel silver on with a fine brush

mash101 14-06-12 22:56

Hey Hocky: what's wheel silver????
Keep us updated with progress/results!

Hocky 15-06-12 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by mash101 (Post 174561)
Hey Hocky: what's wheel silver????
Keep us updated with progress/results!

It's just car wheel silver paint and it drys fast.
I will let you know if it looks ok

redbikejohn 16-06-12 02:08

the rear spokes on mine are almost completly galv coating free and rust covered. headrace bearings also shot dispite me greasing them at 9k.
still under warrenty sp told shop today i want them changed under warrenty.

rims are rotting inside too. send them a pic of corrosion and want that done too. taking it in on tuesday

planxty 16-06-12 23:39

Mine's sitting outside in the rain as it has pretty much for the last 3 1/2 years (about the last time it didn't rain here in the SW). Not much rust wise or anything else corrosion related. It does get an odd blast of ACF50, but never washed. Gets ridden a lot, starts on the button and never lets me down.

redbikejohn 17-06-12 09:06

i tire to keep my spokes niceby using acf50 but ussing it all winter to work and back was too much for it and once they started to go it was pointless trying to save them. i think it was the salt that attacked the rims too.

mash101 19-06-12 09:46

Just a thought: maybe I'll try rubbing down rust with emery cloth & spraying spokes with Galvaphroid or similar galv/zinc substitute. Rust appears towards the centre of spokes, & not at ends. I guess this makes sense if its the brake dust that causing the problem, due to the proximity of disc/caliper (???)
Not sure what the factory coating is on these spokes, but it looks more like paint than hot-dip galvanised! Apparently Yamaha have a reputation for using 'monkey metal'. Shame.

redbikejohn 19-06-12 21:57

Brian Grey motorcycles in high wycombe has agreed to put a claim in for new spokes, rims & headrace bearings so pretty soon mine will be back to new :slywink:

RickM 21-06-12 01:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woottonboy (Post 174530)

The corrosion on the spokes is the bi-metal in the brake pads coming off (very hot, very hot, ouch ouch) as a fine mist that then burns onto the spoke coating. Galvanic effect occurs between the bi metal brake dust and the spoke coating removing the thin coat leaving the metal spokes to rust.

Yamaha had to save money somewhere.

That's exactly why I stopped using sintered pads after my Tenere's first winter (particularly when I saw signs of pitting on my front discs!).
Have been using organic pads ever since.

JJ_pt 02-09-12 14:51

RickM, would you recommend a brand of organic pads?
I want to make the transition as well.
Thanks.

RickM 02-09-12 20:36

I generally use Kyoto's (from http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/x..._tenere/08-09/).
If I've left it to the last minute I'll use EBC (TT type) from my local trials/enduro shop.

Mort 05-09-12 22:46

The spokes are ****.:angryfire:


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