.: XT660.com - The #1 XT660 Resource :.

.: XT660.com - The #1 XT660 Resource :. ( https://www.xt660.com/index.php)
-   XT660X & XT660R General Discussions ( https://www.xt660.com/forumdisplay.php?f=121)
-   -   Riding Around The World - Bike Nearly Finished ( https://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=18589)

John Laverick 03-03-12 17:43

Riding Around The World - Bike Nearly Finished
 
Just thought I'd share .... I'm planning on setting off in mid-June this year to ride around the world on a bike. It's something I've fancied doing for quite a few years and it's now or never. I've bought a bike and I've been modifying it for the trip over the last few months; it's nearly finished so I thought I'd show it off:

Yamaha XT660R, bought for �1800 with 18,000 miles on it. It's not cool or funky but it's certainly functional

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06...k/DSC01500.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06...k/DSC01502.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06...k/DSC01503.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06...k/DSC01504.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06...k/DSC01506.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06...k/DSC01507.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06...k/DSC01508.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06...k/DSC01509.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06...k/DSC01510.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06...k/DSC01511.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06...k/DSC01515.jpg

maxwell123455 03-03-12 17:59

Nice find with the bike and youve modded it up nicely too. So jealous of your trip around the world.

One thing i would add would be the taller yamaha screen, should make longer days in the saddle more easy on your body, arms and head.

Graham 03-03-12 18:37

Not that I could ever contemplate such a venture, but what is the planned route? How much are you allowing for greasing palms at borders?

dazzerrtw 03-03-12 18:42

Hi John.
looks ready to Roll.
Just wanted to ask where you heading for first and do you have a planned route in mind ?

Thanks Dazzer

Pleiades 03-03-12 20:23

Nice one. You look well prepared. May I be so bold as to suggest a centre stand might be a useful addition...

John Laverick 03-03-12 21:03

The 'basics' are sorted ... general route is planned and I know everything I need to in terms of Carnet / Visa Applications / Insurance / Shipping etc. I haven't started getting Visa's yet as it's a bit early but I'll be starting the process shortly.

I am going solo but I'll be linking up with other travellers when crossing China. I'll set off on my own but fully expect to 'buddy' up with other bikers on the way!

General route:

Europe:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=208384981786...

Central Asia:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=208384981786...

SE Asia:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=208384981786...

Australia:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=208384981786...

Southern/Central/Northern America is a work in progress!

The bike actually had the larger Yamaha screen on it when I bought it but I found it tended to make the bike go into a severe 'death weave' above 70mph so I replaced it for the standard screen.

Center stand is a good shout but I'm reluctant to add any more weight. I can always prop the bike against the side stand for whipping the wheels off for puncture repairs etc.

dazzerrtw 03-03-12 21:19

we leave 6 weeks before you , so we may not bump into each other on the Europe / Russian / Asia part of the route,But by the time were both in the Americas there may be a chance. Have a Great trip

Dazzer and Leigh

Revenue 03-03-12 23:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleiades (Post 168984)
Nice one. You look well prepared. May I be so bold as to suggest a centre stand might be a useful addition...

+ 1

Woottonboy 04-03-12 09:00

can anyone else not see the maps?
 
Is it just my computer or do yours open but close immediately???

Europe:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=208384981786...

Central Asia:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=208384981786...

SE Asia:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=208384981786...

Australia:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=208384981786...

Graham 04-03-12 11:49

Not just yours!!

InkaJoe 04-03-12 18:22

Nice ride!

I would add the original lower front fender, as the radiator tends to clogg up with mud.

salu2,
Joe

Dandy 05-03-12 21:59

Looks like you are good to go, does that sheepskin pad on the seat work?

two wheels 03 06-03-12 18:46

Snap
 
Have a look at our bikes on our web site, looks like we had the same ideas on a lot of things.

We are 16000 miles into our trip, going the opposite way round to you so we could cross paths if we keep in touch. Shipping to NZ now.

Take all the service spares you can carry - if you can't get Yam spares on route try cross referencing Yam and KTM part numbers for brakes - The Raptor 660 quad shares the same engine so in the Americas you can get oil filters and such.

We did about 7000 miles of dirt and found Michelin T63's to be very good and lasted well. A T63 rear with a MT21 front very hard to beat on mixed gravel/dirt/paved roads.
The RK chain tool works and lasts - take spare front sprocket tab washers.
You can carry a spare sprocket behind the numberplate, zip tied to the rack cross bar.
We gave up using fully synth oil and no use semi synth as it's much cheaper and easier to get, the bikes also feel better for it and burn less of it.
Before you leave take out the swing arm, it's easy - the inside seals pop out and the bearing goes dry. It's a crap design but if you re- grease it and keep in eye on it etc. We have a spare set of bearings and bushings now.
A set of Aerostitch tank panniers with a gallon can in each is cheaper than a big tank and balances the bike nicely, you can also fit wet gear on top of the cans.
WD 40 is great for lube to get tyres on and off if stuck.

Don't use K&N filters, they let dust through - Piper cross do a foam filter that works. We left with K&N's but they were crap and have had no probs with the Pipercross ones.

The tall screen is the way to go, you won't be going over 65mph much, fully loaded and thinking about fuel consumption. You can get 230 miles out of a tank @ 65mph, it drops off loads any faster than that. If you got into a death weave you need more weight on the front (tank panniers). Changing the sprocket gearing for off road loaded is worth doing, the rear sprocket at least, you will struggle with road gearing off road in the dirt.

I could go one for ages but might be telling you how to suck eggs, sorry if I am.
Have a look at our site and if I can help drop me a line.

www.twobikesrunning.co.uk

paul

John Laverick 08-03-12 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by two wheels 03 (Post 169122)
Have a look at our bikes on our web site, looks like we had the same ideas on a lot of things.

We are 16000 miles into our trip, going the opposite way round to you so we could cross paths if we keep in touch. Shipping to NZ now.

Take all the service spares you can carry - if you can't get Yam spares on route try cross referencing Yam and KTM part numbers for brakes - The Raptor 660 quad shares the same engine so in the Americas you can get oil filters and such.

We did about 7000 miles of dirt and found Michelin T63's to be very good and lasted well. A T63 rear with a MT21 front very hard to beat on mixed gravel/dirt/paved roads.
The RK chain tool works and lasts - take spare front sprocket tab washers.
You can carry a spare sprocket behind the numberplate, zip tied to the rack cross bar.
We gave up using fully synth oil and no use semi synth as it's much cheaper and easier to get, the bikes also feel better for it and burn less of it.
Before you leave take out the swing arm, it's easy - the inside seals pop out and the bearing goes dry. It's a crap design but if you re- grease it and keep in eye on it etc. We have a spare set of bearings and bushings now.
A set of Aerostitch tank panniers with a gallon can in each is cheaper than a big tank and balances the bike nicely, you can also fit wet gear on top of the cans.
WD 40 is great for lube to get tyres on and off if stuck.

Don't use K&N filters, they let dust through - Piper cross do a foam filter that works. We left with K&N's but they were crap and have had no probs with the Pipercross ones.

The tall screen is the way to go, you won't be going over 65mph much, fully loaded and thinking about fuel consumption. You can get 230 miles out of a tank @ 65mph, it drops off loads any faster than that. If you got into a death weave you need more weight on the front (tank panniers). Changing the sprocket gearing for off road loaded is worth doing, the rear sprocket at least, you will struggle with road gearing off road in the dirt.

I could go one for ages but might be telling you how to suck eggs, sorry if I am.
Have a look at our site and if I can help drop me a line.

www.twobikesrunning.co.uk

paul

Hi Paul,

Yes I did take some inspiration from your website I will admit!!

Some good tips thanks; I've got some service spares sorted but by the sounds of it not enough � I'm attempting to travel pretty light where feasible. I was only planning on carrying two oil filters / 2 plugs / f+r brake pads / rocker gaskets

Spares = clutch cable / levers

Bearing in mind I've overhauled the bike before leaving [forks rebuilt / wheel bearings / cush drive / chain + sprockets / rear sock and singarm / head bearings / valve clearances & service].

I've fitted a set of Continental TKC 80 Twinduro whilst I'm here to get an idea on mileage but the rear doesn't seem to be wearing that well [maybe I've also been riding it a bit too hard]. What kind of mileage are you getting with the Pirelli / Michelin combo?

I've got an Ohlins rear shock to go in so the swingarm will be coming off for a service shortly.

Damn it � I've just fitted a K&N. Is it really that bad? Should I junk it?

The death weave I had was actually when the bike was standard with the screen fitted! I've replaced it with the standard screen and it's now gone!

Could you tell me more about gearing as it's not something I've considered; I've just purchased replacement chain and sprockets with the standard gearing.

You're definetly not teaching me how to suck eggs � .my experience of this type of trip and this type of bike is approx. zero!!

John

John Laverick 08-03-12 11:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dandy (Post 169083)
Looks like you are good to go, does that sheepskin pad on the seat work?

Don;t know yet ... I've not tried it but everyone seems to do it so I thought I'd jump on the bandwagon!

John Laverick 08-03-12 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by InkaJoe (Post 169031)
Nice ride!

I would add the original lower front fender, as the radiator tends to clogg up with mud.

salu2,
Joe

I've had problems with the front fender / tyre clogging with mud in the past which was the main reason for removing it and fitting the high level one.

two wheels 03 08-03-12 19:46

Service and stuff
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Laverick (Post 169210)
Hi Paul,

Yes I did take some inspiration from your website I will admit!!

Some good tips thanks; I've got some service spares sorted but by the sounds of it not enough � I'm attempting to travel pretty light where feasible. I was only planning on carrying two oil filters / 2 plugs / f+r brake pads / rocker gaskets

Spares = clutch cable / levers

Bearing in mind I've overhauled the bike before leaving [forks rebuilt / wheel bearings / cush drive / chain + sprockets / rear sock and singarm / head bearings / valve clearances & service].

I've fitted a set of Continental TKC 80 Twinduro whilst I'm here to get an idea on mileage but the rear doesn't seem to be wearing that well [maybe I've also been riding it a bit too hard]. What kind of mileage are you getting with the Pirelli / Michelin combo?

I've got an Ohlins rear shock to go in so the swingarm will be coming off for a service shortly.

Damn it � I've just fitted a K&N. Is it really that bad? Should I junk it?

The death weave I had was actually when the bike was standard with the screen fitted! I've replaced it with the standard screen and it's now gone!

Could you tell me more about gearing as it's not something I've considered; I've just purchased replacement chain and sprockets with the standard gearing.

You're definetly not teaching me how to suck eggs � .my experience of this type of trip and this type of bike is approx. zero!!

John

Hi John, Light is right of course but you need to be able to keep the bike going - that's the problem isn't it. So far we have found it harder than expected to get parts in the Americas. The XT isn't sold in the USA so no parts are available unless cross referenced to other bikes. You really do need the workshop manual and parts list down loaded from this site. We had some success googling part numbers - got swing arm bearings from a Catapiler dealer!! I expect you have a service plan in mind but I would take one more oil filter than you expect to use and a few oil plug washers. A gasket set could save the day and takes up no room. The XT is sold in Mexico in theory but none are actually sold so we couldn't even get parts in Mexico city!
The XT cush drive rubbers are crap, you will find that new ones will go slack after a week, Take a piece of car inner tube to do Kev's cush drive mod on this site - it works a treat. Sand also kills the cush drive so a spare could be an idea, we both needed replacements after 6000 miles off road.
We rode the trans west Virginia trail (1200 miles of gravel and dirt following the Appalachian mountains) then the Trans America trail 4800 miles of gravel/sand/dirt/mud and rocks - we used one set of tyres that got us to Colorado springs then another set got us to the west coast and about 1000 miles of road. We changed each set before they were slick, probably say they were road legal but offered little grip in sand etc. I'm guessing you will be picking up tyres in Istanbul - have a look at Michelin Sahara 3 and Hiedenau K60 scout's.(we fitted Heidenau's in Baja and so far have been good - look half worn on 4000 miles) Both good for mixed roads of sand and gravel but not mud. To be honest TKC's are poor in mud, DOT nobbly's are far better and T63 rears run at about $65usd and out last any other DOT tyre. If you go for Heidenau K60, go for the 140 rear - it's a heavy duty tyre.
When you fit the rear shock, it's a pig as the top bolt is in a recess in the air box - you need to remove the rear fairing and loosen the under tray - you then only need to disconnect the air box and push it back. You don't need to remove it.
I was really pissed with the K&N filters, they are ok for road bikes and maybe dirt bikes in muddy Europe but they let fine dust through to the clean side - enough to leave a visible finger mark inside the air box. I'm a bit anal about service and cleaned and oiled the filters regularly. Take your K&N out and hold it up to the light, bet you can see pin holes through it. Fine sandy dust will not be good for the valves, The Pipercross filters were the cheapest foam filter I could find and don't let dust through.
Sprockets for the road we used the standard 15/45 but off road we used 14/46. The 14/46 combo is great for technical mountain passes etc but a pain on the long flat bits and on the road a right drag, 55 mph being cruising speed. We ended up changing back to the 15 front with the 46 rear for off road and it's a nice compromise. It's also easy to just change rear sprockets and leave the front alone. If you buy from B&C express get the renthal steel fronts, they last for ages. I know you don't want to add weight but a main stand is worth it. Our head bearings have worked loose a couple of times so worth keeping an eye on.
Just thought, while you have the air box apart, look at the low position of where the crank case breather enters the air box. You might want to plug the box and re-route the breather up under the tank with a small K&N fitted on top. Amazing what you can do with a plumbers push fit cap and two 15mm copper elbow's.
All in all the XT's have been brilliant bikes, tough,frugal,easy to work on and even loaded have taken us over rough dirt mountain passes. Angie has fallen many times and the bike has taken the knocks with ease. You picked the right bike. PM me your email and I will send you some stuff you might find helpfull.

Any way I can help, just ask - pleased to be paying it forward.

Paul

John Laverick 12-03-12 10:14

Paul,

Thanks for the info. I'll drop you a pm with my e-mail address.

Thanks

John

John Laverick 12-03-12 10:19

Paul,

Your inbox is full but my e-mail address is johnclaverick@gmail.com

Anything useful you can send me would be much appreciated!

John

two wheels 03 14-03-12 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Laverick (Post 169211)
Don;t know yet ... I've not tried it but everyone seems to do it so I thought I'd jump on the bandwagon!

The sheep skins are great for keeping the heat off the seat and do help comfort but also we use ours for extra pillows when camping.

boneman 14-03-12 02:51

PDF Repairs & parts manual
 
Hi Guys,
Awesome trip you guys are doing. And showing some of these GS & KTM990 snobs that you don't need a bike 3x as expensive to do this trip.
I have done very few trips, but one thing I have found useful is to download this manual Yamaha_XT660R_XT660X_2004_Service_Manual http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rc...j-i2fJQH0Wecrg onto my Samsung Galaxy Tab (it's a 7" one, taking up minimal space) for reference. Sorry if you've already done this, but I find it invaluable when putting axles, hubs etc back together in the right order & with the factory tension settings on the torque wrench. Cheers, Boneman :happy:

rtwpaul 24-03-12 23:15

i'm 38,000 miles into a RTW, right now in the states for another year doing a little work...riding an xt660z, but if you have any questions about long term riding let me know, if you link off my name i have a photo blog on here with my route

things you may want to consider

center stand 100%, its worth the extra weight - reason: you get a flat in the middle of nowhere, soft ground, it is real difficult getting a balance point without it, with it you don't even need to unload the bike

side stand, a LARGE foot is a must, also check your bike fully loaded, as all the weight drops the ride height down and makes the bike stand more upright, if you are in windy condition it can and will blow over on a side stand - mine did twice in patagonia

upgrade your handlebar risers - if the ones on yours are like the Z they are one piece, the bolt is machined on the riser if it snaps you are stranded, find some with a thru bolt

have extra chain clips, in 38 years of riding i never had a chain clip come off, on the XT i had it happen twice in one week, another friend i know had the same thing happen twice too. if you get stuck you can use safety wire to hold the outer plate on...or better is a rivet style

get an additional bottom plate for your Ohlins, i am sponsored by them and they told me that is the weak point if there is a failure...if you are not sure PM me and i'll send a photo

when you get to south america, especially Bolivia, get an extra gas can, fuel shortages are normal in out lying areas

tyres - my opinion on the tkc80 rear - crap! the best i got out of one was 4800 miles, but after 2000+ it was bad, i got a cheap Kenda 50/50 tyre fitted and have 6000 miles on it and it still has more tread that the TKC started with, little loose in the wet though!!! it cost $37 and the TKC was $170...i'll let you do the math

OK, gone on too long now, any questions responses reply to this and i will add more comments/ ideas if needed

cj2150 30-03-12 14:44

Your trip's sound great and I'm finding the info here from people with a round the world underway very useful. Especially given, like John, I plan to set off on my own adventure late June/early July on my xt660r heading also east from the UK.

Paul (two wheels 03) - I notice in your signature you mention Kev's fork spacers. I just wondered how you are finding them given you have dealt with a mixture of on and off road? Did you cut them down slightly to cope with the off road sections better or have they been fine at the standard size?

Cheers

two wheels 03 02-04-12 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj2150 (Post 170458)
Your trip's sound great and I'm finding the info here from people with a round the world underway very useful. Especially given, like John, I plan to set off on my own adventure late June/early July on my xt660r heading also east from the UK.

Paul (two wheels 03) - I notice in your signature you mention Kev's fork spacers. I just wondered how you are finding them given you have dealt with a mixture of on and off road? Did you cut them down slightly to cope with the off road sections better or have they been fine at the standard size?

Cheers

To be honest with you the XTR forks are pretty basic and lack damping. That's what is most noticable - especially on corrugations (wash board). Kev's spacers do improve the ride loads on a loaded bike. Unloaded and practising your motoX moves could be a bit firm. For touring loaded up Kev's spacers are the most cost effective route to an improvement. If I was starting from home again, I'd look into comp and rebound damping - if I had the �����

Petenz 06-04-12 07:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by two wheels 03 (Post 170596)
To be honest with you the XTR forks are pretty basic and lack damping. That's what is most noticable - especially on corrugations (wash board). Kev's spacers do improve the ride loads on a loaded bike. Unloaded and practising your motoX moves could be a bit firm. For touring loaded up Kev's spacers are the most cost effective route to an improvement. If I was starting from home again, I'd look into comp and rebound damping - if I had the �����

Put a set of intiminators in http://www.intiminators.com/
you can adjust the compression & rebound damping by way
of shims... the intiminators sit on top the damping rods &
held in place by the springs...

two wheels 03 06-04-12 07:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petenz (Post 170750)
Put a set of intiminators in http://www.intiminators.com/
you can adjust the compression & rebound damping by way
of shims... the intiminators sit on top the damping rods &
held in place by the springs...


Pete,
they didn't make them for the XT when we left home - told me they had no plans to either. Guess they added the XT recently.
I'd want external Adj if I was going to do it though.

John Laverick 09-05-12 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtwpaul (Post 170084)
i'm 38,000 miles into a RTW, right now in the states for another year doing a little work...riding an xt660z, but if you have any questions about long term riding let me know, if you link off my name i have a photo blog on here with my route

things you may want to consider

center stand 100%, its worth the extra weight - reason: you get a flat in the middle of nowhere, soft ground, it is real difficult getting a balance point without it, with it you don't even need to unload the bike

side stand, a LARGE foot is a must, also check your bike fully loaded, as all the weight drops the ride height down and makes the bike stand more upright, if you are in windy condition it can and will blow over on a side stand - mine did twice in patagonia

upgrade your handlebar risers - if the ones on yours are like the Z they are one piece, the bolt is machined on the riser if it snaps you are stranded, find some with a thru bolt

have extra chain clips, in 38 years of riding i never had a chain clip come off, on the XT i had it happen twice in one week, another friend i know had the same thing happen twice too. if you get stuck you can use safety wire to hold the outer plate on...or better is a rivet style

get an additional bottom plate for your Ohlins, i am sponsored by them and they told me that is the weak point if there is a failure...if you are not sure PM me and i'll send a photo

when you get to south america, especially Bolivia, get an extra gas can, fuel shortages are normal in out lying areas

tyres - my opinion on the tkc80 rear - crap! the best i got out of one was 4800 miles, but after 2000+ it was bad, i got a cheap Kenda 50/50 tyre fitted and have 6000 miles on it and it still has more tread that the TKC started with, little loose in the wet though!!! it cost $37 and the TKC was $170...i'll let you do the math

OK, gone on too long now, any questions responses reply to this and i will add more comments/ ideas if needed

Hi Paul,

Only just seen your post; thanks for the feedback. Some very useful information; if you could send me the details of the Ohlins spare it would be much appreciated.

I think I've got most other items covered. Agreed I've not been impressed with the longevity of the TKC's; my rear has lasted about 3000 miles of UK road riding. I'm fitting a set of Anakees to get me to Istanbul then I'll swop for a harder wearing duel sport tyre like a Hiedenau K60 Scout.

Not long to go now; Channel Tunnel out of the UK booked for 17th June!

John


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:30.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.