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old Roman 11-05-11 23:17
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Originally Posted by tripletom (Post 155338)
Also, when you first start the bike, with it in neutral, pull the clutch in and blip the throttle, then let it out, then back in again for first. Honestly first will slip in like Osama into one of his many recently found virgins.
This may be the solution. I made some experiments on the stand and realised, that the clutch sticks only at the beginning. This causes bang when 1 st gear is selected. After initial use it breaks loose and works properly.

I'll try your suggestion tomorrow.


With that many virgins, Osama may be quite busy right now.

Pleiades 11-05-11 23:36
If this is the case, you might also find a few standing starts using a big handful of throttle, slipping the clutch may clear off any of the stickiness in the clutch. You could of course also try some clutch wheelies too!!:icon_biggrin:

66T 12-05-11 07:23
Quote:
Originally Posted by tripletom (Post 155338)
Also, when you first start the bike, with it in neutral, pull the clutch in and blip the throttle, then let it out, then back in again for first. Honestly first will slip in like Osama into one of his many recently found virgins.
True. And I don't agree with the viscosity idea (sorry). I run Motorex 10W60 in my Tenere, and the gearshift is very good. Much better than with lighter oils, imo. The only time it's sticky is from cold, but do what tripletom says and there is no problem.
However, it seems that there is a different issue with old Roman's bike if sticky shifting persists when the motor is hot. If the clutch has been slipped hard and got very hot sometime in its life, it might become draggy. My TTR's clutch used to be quite reasonable, but a lot of hard use has made it very prone to dragging. There are numerous other causes, including slightly warped plate/s, and as mentioned above, simply being out of adjustment. Another thing is gum burnt on to the steel clutch plates. This can be caused by heat and/or poor oil, and will make your clutch drag like a b*****d.
Hope you get it sorted, old Roman.

Pleiades 12-05-11 10:09
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Originally Posted by 66T (Post 155368)
True. And I don't agree with the viscosity idea (sorry). I run Motorex 10W60 in my Tenere, and the gearshift is very good. Much better than with lighter oils, imo. The only time it's sticky is from cold, but do what tripletom says and there is no problem.
Oil viscosity will influence clutch performance, but the effects of course vary depending on where you live and its climate (and how you ride). An oil suited to Australia may not be so good in the UK or Slovenia, the grade needs matching to your personal circumstances. So it's still worth Old Roman checking, it may well not be the issue as you say, but something worth ruling out.

Kev 12-05-11 10:22
+1

old Roman 12-05-11 20:31
Quote:
Originally Posted by tripletom (Post 155338)
Also, when you first start the bike, with it in neutral, pull the clutch in and blip the throttle, then let it out, then back in again for first. Honestly first will slip in like Osama into one of his many recently found virgins.
I have tried this and it worked. No bang at all, while engaging 1st. :041:
This means my clutch obviously is not draging, but is kind of sticky or something.

I feel better now. Thanks to everybody for suggestions.

tripletom 12-05-11 22:37
Pleased to hear it.

66T 14-05-11 05:05
That's a relief for you, old Roman! Glad for you that there's nothing seriously wrong, mate.

tacomodo 18-05-11 12:51
I've also noticed that engaging first gear first thing in the morning makes a klunk, but at the lights afterwards it is more or less smooth. Nothing like my old Shiver which made BIG klunks at all gear changes all the time.

Also this makes me think back to when I went to test drive a 2008 Ten. The second I put it into first the bike lunged a bit forward and choked. Did this maybe 5-6 times in a row. Checked the cable, checked that it pulled and so forth, but in the end a mechanic came over and said the bike had probably not been ridden for a while and the clutch plates were sticking. He revved it and held the brake or something, the whole thing looked pretty violent, but in the end it came loose and worked like normal.

Seing as how the clutch stuck on the test bike and also over night on my brand new one, perhaps it's just a case of "they all do that"?

old Roman 18-05-11 13:33
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Originally Posted by tacomodo (Post 155816)
I've also noticed that engaging first gear first thing in the morning makes a klunk, but at the lights afterwards it is more or less smooth. Nothing like my old Shiver which made BIG klunks at all gear changes all the time.

Also this makes me think back to when I went to test drive a 2008 Ten. The second I put it into first the bike lunged a bit forward and choked. Did this maybe 5-6 times in a row. Checked the cable, checked that it pulled and so forth, but in the end a mechanic came over and said the bike had probably not been ridden for a while and the clutch plates were sticking. He revved it and held the brake or something, the whole thing looked pretty violent, but in the end it came loose and worked like normal.

Seing as how the clutch stuck on the test bike and also over night on my brand new one, perhaps it's just a case of "they all do that"?
That's kind of fact I hoped it is the case. So no reason to worry. Maybe I am just too gentle and should make several rough starts with slipping clutch.


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