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wuming 08-03-11 10:47

Yamaha XT660Z Tenere opinions
 
Not been on here for a long while; but finally about to bite the bullet and buy a Ten. Just wanted a few opinions first. This bike has been with us since 2008 now. What are peoples long term opinions on the Tenere? What are its strong and weak points as a long distance/RTW tourer? What do you like / dislike about it? What have / would you change? How does it compare to similarly targeted bikes (KTM, BMW etc.?). How reliable is it? Also posted on Advrider.com
Cheers all.

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 08-03-11 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by wuming (Post 150908)
Just wanted a few opinions first. Cheers all.

All of the information is there, and opinions vary from 'it's a load of poo and I've sold it to by xxxxxx' to 'it's the last bike you'll every buy'

The best thing is to look through the post that are there already and you'll get a better understanding of the srong points and weak points of the this bike.

mac-cos 08-03-11 13:17

As Gulgo has intimated there are a lot of varied views on the Ten so its probably fair to say its not perfect but at the price point it sits at its doing pretty damn good.
The Up/down sides in my view (as an ex ten owner - now S10)
suspension is cheap , underdamped and undersprung but does a good job at the same time ie I had no compliants about mine hooning on tarmac and it was only offroad that the stock units forced the pace to remain low, that in itself is probably a good thing for todays (UK) green lanes and the threat that they face from Nimbies etc.
Engine, its a unremarkable single that is neither powerful or slow and isnt super smooth nor does it vibrate badly. Some possibility for gearbox issues (mine had poor retention on 2nd gear) but could be rare.
body cheapish unpainted plastics but looks the part for a rugged adventure bike
footpegs - ****e swap em!.
oem Luggage , good if you dont expect them to act as tank armour/crash bars.

High speed, fast enough for uk m'way work but can be buffety (I notice this more now I have the S10 as it doesnt tire me as the Ten did).
Overall quality, not up to KTM stds but not bad and its not KTM prices either.

All just MO . Great bike for what it costs though and I think without many competitors , maybe the tiger XC800 is the nearest.

minkyhead 08-03-11 19:08

i think its important to look at the ten with a off road point of view

ive run 1150gs and two 1200s and no way would i swap back ..

its a soft bike ..what i mean is its suspension and engine are set soft ..this for me equates to a really good trail bike

hard charging is not on my radar on the ten and i find it well mannered and easy going off road

on the road i think it handles real well for a trail bike
the screen needs replacing for motorway work ..givi and mra wing is my solution
a airhawk slung on the saddle makes it very comfy indeed

for me i found the gearing to tall ..annoying getting caught between gears on the road and too much clutch slipping off
i went for 14 /46 and i love the compramise ..
tickover in 2nd and more zip ......
one gear higher at 40 and 50
just stick to a sat nav 70 on the motorways

the other thing i addressed was the height ..i lowered it 1in at the back
and dropped the forks so i could manage better off road ..im 6ft 1 tall

i its a bike that requires a certain minset ..im not bothered about the lack of power ..ive run some very quick bikes in the past
i actually passed over a multistrada and a few others to buy the660 ten ..the ten was more fun ..and more practical ..and most importantly more managable off road for me


..i rarely feel underbiked running with gses and ktms ..until of course you hit the motorway .. than im happy with mp3 playing behind me screen at a staedy 75

if your used to thumpers and maby vees i think you will like it straight away if you come from fours it may seem a tad agricultural

a good test ride is where its at ..ignore the screen seat gearing and any height issues you think it may have as they a re simple fixes
i love riding mine ..its a keeper no question

good luck

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4741/snowone.jpg
By null at 2011-02-20

minkyhead 08-03-11 20:05

genereal mix off on /ff riding is giving me about 250 miles with 2litres to spare ...

Tony660x 08-03-11 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by wuming (Post 150908)
Not been on here for a long while; but finally about to bite the bullet and buy a Ten. Just wanted a few opinions first. This bike has been with us since 2008 now. What are peoples long term opinions on the Tenere? What are its strong and weak points as a long distance/RTW tourer? What do you like / dislike about it? What have / would you change? How does it compare to similarly targeted bikes (KTM, BMW etc.?). How reliable is it? Also posted on Advrider.com
Cheers all.

I had a 2009 blue one (pictured below). I was in the wrong mindset I think because I sold it after not too much time. On reflection its a great bike and if RTW is the primary use its simply superb.

In my minds the pros and cons of it are:

Pros
  • A relative lightweight on the road compared to the big beemers
  • Price of used ones are good (no comment on new pricing!)
  • Simple, simple, simple, did I mention its a nice simple bike!
  • 23L fuel tank
  • Sensible offroad exhaust design
  • Reliable 660 engine
  • Excellent brakes
  • Excellent suspension (I think its soft so ideal for me)
  • Power is ideal for 1 up riding. Dont let anyone put you off with "only" 48hp. It more than enough in the real world.
  • Road presence. This bike simply oozes it.
  • Megga tunable, I am a stock bike kinda guy but this bike can be all things to all men & JMO!
  • XT660.com - nuff said.
Cons
  • Its a bit lardy offroad but still fully capable
  • Tall, lowering it is easy and cheap if applicable to you. I am 6ft and it was a stretch to get on with the standard suspension. On road its no issue whatsoever.
  • Seat profile. To sum it up its sh[te. I found it held me in the wrong postion and gave me backache after about 1 hours ride. To cure this I needed to get it reprofiled. A simple enough job but I sold it before I did this mod. You may find its ok, some do, some dont.
  • Rectifier/wiring connection. Its well documented that early ones had issues. My 2009 one was perfect so its not a deal breaker.
  • Turbulance from up through the forks. I had a perspex guard made and this removed the problem for me. It may not be an issue for you.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...x/100_1858.jpg

Travelling_Light 09-03-11 09:40

Airhawk size for the Ten?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by minkyhead (Post 150933)
i think its important to look at the ten with a off road point of view

ive run 1150gs and two 1200s and no way would i swap back ..

its a soft bike ..what i mean is its suspension and engine are set soft ..this for me equates to a really good trail bike

hard charging is not on my radar on the ten and i find it well mannered and easy going off road

on the road i think it handles real well for a trail bike
the screen needs replacing for motorway work ..givi and mra wing is my solution
a airhawk slung on the saddle makes it very comfy indeed

for me i found the gearing to tall ..annoying getting caught between gears on the road and too much clutch slipping off
i went for 14 /46 and i love the compramise ..
tickover in 2nd and more zip ......
one gear higher at 40 and 50
just stick to a sat nav 70 on the motorways

the other thing i addressed was the height ..i lowered it 1in at the back
and dropped the forks so i could manage better off road ..im 6ft 1 tall

i its a bike that requires a certain minset ..im not bothered about the lack of power ..ive run some very quick bikes in the past
i actually passed over a multistrada and a few others to buy the660 ten ..the ten was more fun ..and more practical ..and most importantly more managable off road for me


..i rarely feel underbiked running with gses and ktms ..until of course you hit the motorway .. than im happy with mp3 playing behind me screen at a staedy 75

if your used to thumpers and maby vees i think you will like it straight away if you come from fours it may seem a tad agricultural

a good test ride is where its at ..ignore the screen seat gearing and any height issues you think it may have as they a re simple fixes
i love riding mine ..its a keeper no question

good luck

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4741/snowone.jpg
By null at 2011-02-20

Nice set up, what size airhawk did you get for the Ten?

Many Thanks,
TL

minkyhead 10-03-11 01:24

ive had it for years ..its really good

i got the largest one ..its like a pear shape ..transforms the ten instantly into a long distance perch ..highly recomended

i got it here
its the big cruiser one

feck me theyve gone up a bit ..i paid about110 qid for it ..but i have to say i dont regret it its been on severel different bikes since

on a positive note it got a puncture a couple of years ago and they reaired it for me and sent the repair out fit for postage only ..its been fine since
http://www.bykebitz.co.uk/acatalog/LARGE_CRUISER.html

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4697/img1644l.jpg
By null at 2011-01-17

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 10-03-11 08:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by minkyhead (Post 151032)
ive had it for years ..its really good

Me too. I find it a bit 'fiddly' for short trips, but if you're in the seat for over 2/3 hours it's awesome. You can easily sit there for 6 to 8 hours a day, day after day.

More of an investment for the long distance rider, considering the price..

Travelling_Light 10-03-11 08:55

A bit steep
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by minkyhead (Post 151032)
ive had it for years ..its really good

i got the largest one ..its like a pear shape ..transforms the ten instantly into a long distance perch ..highly recomended

i got it here
its the big cruiser one

feck me theyve gone up a bit ..i paid about110 qid for it ..but i have to say i dont regret it its been on severel different bikes since

on a positive note it got a puncture a couple of years ago and they reaired it for me and sent the repair out fit for postage only ..its been fine since
http://www.bykebitz.co.uk/acatalog/LARGE_CRUISER.html

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4697/img1644l.jpg
By null at 2011-01-17

They are expensive, at that price you may as well have the seat modded and a gel pad inserted. Guess it depends on how long you plan on keeping the Ten. Thks.

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 10-03-11 09:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travelling_Light (Post 151039)
, at that price you may as well have the seat modded and a gel pad inserted. .

Not really. You can take the AirHawk with you on any bike.

minkyhead 10-03-11 11:38

yes i can see why you would think that way ..given the price but apart from being able to keep it .it has other advantages

the first one is its guarrenteed to work after fitting

i think the biggest problem with the ten is the seat is too narrow and that is hard to deal with by remodelling .. and keeping it good for standing too ..if you went wider it would effect the leg height too
with the hawk if you shift a leg down the pockets drain the little bit of air out and is doesnt effect the height
the seat itself is ok but its not as wide as road bikes and that i reakon is the main problem over long distance

..they look a bit rum but you can pump and release air to make it just right for you
another positive is that air circulates between the pods ..the seat pods that is .. maby your pods too
its quite cool compared to vynal

the air hawk just spreads out when my fat ass is on it ..takes away the hard edges and still keeps the seat narrow .. .

the idea with them is to have as little air as poss in them .. hardly any at all .. you blow it up and then sit on the seat ..and release tha valve until the pad moulds to you and the seat ..close the valve

you would be very surprised on how little air is in the pad ..when its inflted it looks deflated ..

then the air moves from cell to cell as your butt moves about

ive got twenty days to do in april and may and im so glad i have the airhawk

here it is in a former life
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8803/p1010011tds.jpg
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this is all the air you need
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By null at 2010-09-08




i doubt a gel pad would cure the width problem ..

JMo 10-03-11 20:59

If you need any more convincing...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wuming (Post 150934)
Thanks for the replies so far. Should perhaps have said that I am coming from an Aprilia Pegaso 650 Trail; so, same engine. I am looking for a potential RTW bike. I love the Peg Trail, but for what I have in mind the tank is too small (16 litres) and the electrics are, uhm "sketchy". Also virtually zero dealer back-up, expensive parts etc.. I think the engine is very good though and if I could have the same bike but more reliable and a longer range, I would be happy. The Ten seems to tick all the boxes, but just need some reassuring about the points I originally asked about. So more thoughts / opinions are welcome. Thanks.

Buy this one:

http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/r...n/IMG_6684.jpg

All info here: http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=16342

It's all the good things about the Tenere, improved: awesome suspension, vastly improved power, comfy seat...

Jx

Travelling_Light 10-03-11 21:39

So kewl I want it now!
 
Hi Jenny, you know I want it. It's so pretty and those WP forks are yummy. Can't have another bike though, garage is full already. Also it won't pass roadworthy in Spain as the excel rims don't have homolagation certification. Not sure if the forks have CE certification either. Not that I've even considered buying it... Much.

Seriously the annual inspection in Spain is hardcore, they failed my landy last time 'cos although both the Landy and the new tow bar had homolagation (EU conformity certificate), the tow bar hadn't been installed by a Spanish qualified mechanic. Very difficult to sort out.

JMo 10-03-11 22:10

Hee hee - not you you ninny, I meant Wuming - the OP... I'll even deliver it for free to London!

Jx

jimmysimpson 10-03-11 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMo (Post 151079)
Buy this one:

http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/r...n/IMG_6684.jpg

All info here: http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=16342

It's all the good things about the Tenere, improved: awesome suspension, vastly improved power, comfy seat...

Jx

Jeez oh, Just the thing for an old retired enduro rider like me. Serious attitude there.

JMo 10-03-11 22:52

Never raced or rallied...

http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/r...09_423_2_2.jpg

http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/r...end2009271.jpg

Jx

21 incher 13-03-11 22:38

Say hello to my 'ittle friend...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wuming (Post 150908)
Not been on here for a long while; but finally about to bite the bullet and buy a Ten. Just wanted a few opinions first. This bike has been with us since 2008 now. What are peoples long term opinions on the Tenere? What are its strong and weak points as a long distance/RTW tourer? What do you like / dislike about it? What have / would you change? How does it compare to similarly targeted bikes (KTM, BMW etc.?). How reliable is it? Also posted on Advrider.com
Cheers all.


For me, as a touring bike it�s best not to go via the autobahns of Europe, it�s only a single and it really is suited to the side and minor roads. The weight of the MetalMule panniers and top-box do make a difference in power to weight ratio, as a bike with no added extras, spinning around the minor roads is a REAL breeze. Get a taller screen, I think the standard screen is too short and fitting a taller screen will, and does, make for a much better ride.

The downside I will say against this bike is that the rear wheel cush-drives don�t seen to last all that long, I found I was replacing mine around the six to eight thousand mile mark, to be fair I�d also done a around Europe trip fully loaded on the first cush-drives.

The suspension is, again, I think, wonderful and I find that I�m never really suffering with numb-bum at all, there are more ups than downs with this bike�

Fuchs 13-03-11 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMo (Post 151079)

wow what a nice bike you have there!

JMo 19-03-11 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by wuming (Post 151145)
Veeeery tempting JMo. Unfortunately, I don't think I could do your bike justice; it is far better than I am! Daft question, but it is set up for racing/rallying; how would it go as a RTW bike? Cheers.

Not a daft question at all - sure some racebikes would be a pita on a RTW type trip, but that is the beauty of the [and particularly this] Tenere - what I did was enhance the stock stock engine and suspension (and wheel) performance, without compromising it's day-to-day ridability, other than the seat being approx 60mm higher [due to more suspension travel/ride height], although with the reshaping, it doesn't feel that much higher to ride.

The bike still has the same luggage capacity, and with the instrument panel now reinstalled in the original position (and the rally nav gear removed), it is very much like the stock bike to ride, except it feels Sooooooo much better in every respect... there is a much stronger cush-drive ( a weak point on the stock wheels) and with an 18" rear, far more tyre choice too.

not that I'm trying to convince you or anything x

Serious offers considered etc.

Jx

yamadado 13-05-11 15:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by minkyhead (Post 151032)
ive had it for years ..its really good

i got the largest one ..its like a pear shape ..transforms the ten instantly into a long distance perch ..highly recomended

i got it here
its the big cruiser one

feck me theyve gone up a bit ..i paid about110 qid for it ..but i have to say i dont regret it its been on severel different bikes since

on a positive note it got a puncture a couple of years ago and they reaired it for me and sent the repair out fit for postage only ..its been fine since
http://www.bykebitz.co.uk/acatalog/LARGE_CRUISER.html

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4697/img1644l.jpg
By null at 2011-01-17

Is this a givi tank bag T480 model on you 10ere?
I ordered myself same, but I wonder if the key will be available :-)
How are you satisfied with it?
http://www.givi.it/soft-luggages/Tan.../T480-TANKLOCK

minkyhead 13-05-11 17:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by yamadado (Post 155505)
Is this a givi tank bag T480 model on you 10ere?
I ordered myself same, but I wonder if the key will be available :-)
How are you satisfied with it?
http://www.givi.it/soft-luggages/Tan.../T480-TANKLOCK

no its a sw motech quick lock .. ive done 10k miles now with it and its been really good ..i wanted the smallest one so i could stand up with it on ..it expands to about twice the size shown

the bag sits on the tank ring and clears the key ..my solution was pretty simple but effective
i found the optional map holder very very good too ...so far hand on heart i cant fault it ..ove even done some pretty heavy trail riding with it on ...very handy indeed for your maps ans biccies first aid kit ect

i hope this helps
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6945/img1460fz.jpg
By minkyhead at 2010-11-28

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1967/keyclose.jpg
By minkyhead at 2010-11-28
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By minkyhead at 2011-02-20


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