Single Can & Toolpod
 

Thought I'd share my little winter project with you folks, all comments welcome!

There's been plenty talk of a single can/toolpod setup for the Ten' since it came out, and I want one too, i've looked at every aftermarket exhaust i can find for this bike, and the only one i like the look of is the GPR system, but it's stupidly priced and therefore far too expensive to chop up, and even then the cans are a bit too long for my liking really. Others just don't look right because the cans or pipes don't follow the lines of the bike properly IMO.

Tony660X put a set of CarbonCanCo stubbies off Meach's old bike in the For Sale section on here, just the style i wanted - short with a carbon fibre body, figured I could make it work, lets have a go.

The left can is to be the exhaust, with the toolpod on the right, seems to be widely accepted as the sensible, simplest way to do it.

Only thing is, I dont want it loud. now there's a challenge.

I've gutted the 'exhaust' can, altered the internals to something similar to (though not as restrictive as) a standard exhaust, and repacked it with new stuffing.

i've not done anything inside the right side can yet, that can wait until i've got the other one properly finished, that way i've a spare incase my plan hasn't worked with the other one, after all i only need the skin and the ends for the toolpod.

They are now hung on the bike, and whaddya know- i reckon the cans are exactly the right length! sweeet! As an added bonus, there's space between the cans to fit a ToolTube, which i just happen to have lying around...

next is to make the linkpipe, i can do that no problem at work, but the problem is getting the bike to my work when there's 8 inches of snow outside, and it hasn't got an exhaust so cant be ridden. watch this space.

Some pics for now :)

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looks great

Nice one. Interested to see the finished items..

Like it .... a lot.

Looking good, and nice to see you back in the workshop ol' fella... anything happen with that chain-guide design btw?

J x

Allo :D. I think 'workshop' is a bit grand for a draughty shed with a tarp to keep the snow out, but thanks for the sentiment!

Aye, chainguide. I've not done anything with just yet, profiles have been lying in the bottom drawer since they and the others finally got cut by those muppets. I'll put it together and let you know.

You sold yours yet?

Not sold the Ten' yet, no... I did have a guy who wanted it (for Heroes-Legend next year), but at the moment I want to hang onto it, as I have an idea...

And as others have said, it would be a shame to sell it after all I've done with it? - and to buy another at some point just wouldn't make sense...

As for the chain guide, I reckon you'd sell quite a few of those?

Looking forward to the progress with the single can/tool tube arrangement!

Jen xx

Looks tidy Pete, I had the same thought when I saw them for sale, but didn't have the ��. When I made the single link pipe up for mine I used a couple of 45's and a section I had from a Remus Firestorm link pipe for the clamp. I managed to get the lines as you have, rather than the less aesthetically pleasing single silencer lines that some of the other single and twin tails have.

Seeing as i really dont want it loud, i decided to work on the volume before making the proper link pipe.

i made a short link to put the can straight onto the midpipe next to the rear shock - turns out the 2" pipe is just the right size to go into the can, i just had to flare the other end up (to 49.5mm ID if you want to know) to slip on.

Pic http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMGP0145.jpg

I fired it up to have a listen, and.... oooh thats a bit naughty. It seemed really loud, then it occurred to me that in a confined space (an 8ft square shed) anything will seem loud. I've got a db meter app on my iphone thingy so i decided to get technical - measured the sound level with the standard exhaust, the standard CCC can, and the modified can. Odd thing is, at idle they are all about the same, within 3-4db of each other. i cant help wondering if the echo in the shed is making the results worthless so i've pretty much ignored the 'scientific' bit for now

Going by ear the difference is when i blip the thottle - the standard exhaust is the quietest (obviously) the std CCC can has the usual bark to it, but my modded can is between the two.

It was still on the loud side though, so i made another short link- this time with a a baffle made of perforated tube capped off to force the gas to pass through the perf. holes. Try and ignore the dodgy welding please - i did it in a hurry as i was finishing up at work!

pic shows the two short links - i'm sure i dont need to tell you which ones which.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMGP0153.jpg

With the baffled pipe its actually quieter at idle than the standard exhaust, i can only wait and see whether its at the expense of gas flow/restriction - time to make a proper link pipe.

on the subject of the link pipe - while rooting round in the shed (looking for something else) i found the link pipe from the CarbonCan i had on my '03 Fazer 600.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMGP0146.jpg

it seems to be a pretty good fit, almost too good! it follows the line of the bike pretty damn well and even is the right length to point at the midpipe, total fluke.

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i just need to sort the bottom end of the link pipe and then i can ride it and see!


more later :)

Looks very good so far. :thumbsup[1]:

nice work there :thumbsup[1]:

Pete, this is the linkpipe I made-

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/IMG_4286.jpg

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2 x 45' bends and then I used a section from a Firestorm link pipe for the bottom section that you need.

Cheers folks:)

Tom- nice, you got a side view? Just wondering how close it sits to the frame. I want to move mine back so it's not too close to the frame (for heat) just wondering how you did it.

Only this one -

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/IMG_4284.jpg

which doesn't really show you the bit you want I suspect. The link pipe was clear of the wheel travel (as tested by doing jumps) and the silencer was clear of the subframe as well. Didn't have any heat issues.

it looks like you got the pipe properly lined up according the the lines of the bike. it's a real pity that almost all aftermarket pipes sit at an odd angle.

a quick update, my exhaust is finished and mounted ready to go out and see how it sounds when riding - i cant do that until my seat comes back from being reshaped, so i'm having to wait.

its tedious - the roads are dry and we've even had some mild days, but i've got no damn seat....

Good stuff Pete, keep us posted.

well..... here's how it looks.

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I've had it on the bike, in use, for about six weeks now, sounds great - not too loud, just nice.

I was just about to start chopping up the innards of the other can to do the toolpod, and i thought i'd just have a close look at the can on the bike - just to make sure it really was ok, as it had been getting a bit hot.

Ooh dear. Turns out it had been getting really hot as a result of my internal mods. Slowing the gas down has created hotspots inside which have got hot enough to burn the carbon outer of the can. Whoops. In most places it just shows up as a brown patch, but in one place behind the mounting strap it has literally burnt to a crisp- not to a hole but not far off.

So, on to plan B. Except that right now that involves 3 things-
putting the other, unmodified can on (ooh it's a bit loud)
figuring out how to quieten this one without it overheating
finding somewhere to buy a new skin for the damaged can

any suggestions for the last two?

Pete.

Ok Pete, for the noise issue, take a leaf from Remus's book and baffle the link pipe.
For a new carbon sleeve give these guys a ring with your measurements- http://www.aa16.co.uk/

I made a carbon silencer for my old DR600. I managed about 3 miles before the outlet end plate was blown off as the carbon fractured around the rivets.

I've had my Akrapovic system chopped so it now just has a silencer on the left, and no cat, but I can't bring myself to just hollow out the old right hand side silencer, as I'm sure I'll find a use for it on another bike. I think I'll just use a Tool Tube from Adventure Spec! :eusa_clap:

Tom - i'd wondered about that actually, didnt know remus did that - gonna look into it. Nice link too, thanks - i'll measure up and give them a ring.

Doug - a good point worth thinking about, i've considered it (and haven't discounted it yet) but thats the reason i bought used cans to do the job with, i could hollow out the second can with a clear conscience!

i guess i'll have to figure something soon - I'm meant to be going to Scotland for the weekend this coming weekend and this straight can is probably loud enough to scare the haggis up into the hills!

You could try some Exhaust packing to... er pack the exhaust out, keeps the heat off the skin and damps the sound a little bit. Will depend on the internals as to how easy it is to fit.

Hi Pete - Y'areet?

Aye, it already well packed - i got a load of exhaust packing from work when i first got the cans off Tony660x and repacked it to the max then.

It ocurred to me yesterday that I might be thinking about this too much- maybe its really simple -
I build stainless steel exhausts on cars at work, there's a simple rule for deciding what diameter of pipe (and what silencer internal diameter) to use when the customer wants a standard sound (quiet) from the car - 1" of pipe for every 1000ccs. So 2.0L engine = 2" pipe, 2.5L = 2.5" pipe and so on. If the customer wants it louder you make the silencer internals bigger.
My bike is obviously 0.66L but the internal pipe diameter of the CCC can i'm using is 2.3inches! I've taken the can to work, i'm gonna strip it again tomorrow and replace the perforated tube down the middle with a 1.5" one, OK so it's still bigger than the bike needs, even if you work on double the gasflow that a car would need, but its got to be quieter!

Anyway, my theory might be different, maybe my pipe diameter rule wont work and i'll mess up the performance of the bike, but its worth a shot - i cant see it reducing performance though, i remember looking at a 800cc Triumph Scrambler at the NEC show and the tailpipe on that was so small i couldn't get my thumb in it!

Be interested to see how you get on with that Mr Bog. When I first tried out different silencers on my Ten I used a Micron 'race' silencer from my Transalp which had a large inlet, but then stepped internals, a Micron straight through 50mm absorption silencer from a FireStorm, and an ex-BSB Remus Ti silencer with a 60mm absorption tube.

Of all of them, the 50mm Micron straight through was the loudest, followed by the Remus (which had a lower pitch, so may still have been loud but not sounded it), and then the ex-Transalp Micron.

I'm currently using the Remus on my project DR, and have made a baffle for it from part of a Remus link pipe, but if you can access perforated tube, do you sell it?

Just tickin owa canny, doin a few trail rides but you wouldn't thank me for an invite. Couple of times I thought "Would I do this on the Ten.... Would I fk". Will have to get another run up your way once I burn those tourances, give that ford a miss though.

I've got a CRD pipe off the TTR I could measure up/photo the internals, it's enduro sepc noise wise so not quiet or loud.

Well, i swapped the 60mm perf for the 45mm one today, its all assembled and on the bike but I didnt have a chance to try it as it was late when i finished. If the weathers not too ****ty i'll bike to work tomorrow to try it and post my findings.

Tom - the 50mm bore can was the loudest? oh dear - i might be on a losing streak here...
Aye, i can get perf but short lengths only as a favour from our silencer supplier, otherwise i've got to buy it in 3metre lengths, what you needing?

Skunk - glad you're keeping well mate, hang fire on measuring that can for now ta, i'll see how this one works out first. Be good to do some more trails, though i'm more or less decided on getting summat smaller/lighter for trails (read as 'summat that crashes cheaper'), it'll be summat round the 400cc mark i reckon. XR/WR maybe


Pete

3db louder = 2 times louder :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel

About a foot, maybe 8". It was the 50mm that I used to make the ghettotrapp from, and I find that still a little loud, hence why it's no longer on the bike.
I'm not sure if the 60mm was quieter, or the tone was deeper and so it sounded quieter, if you follow?

MTC Exhausts Tenere single can
 

HI Guys
Sorry its took us so long to pick up on this but weve actually made a single can system for the Tenere. There is a wide range of cans available for it with prices starting from � 145.00 minus your 10% discount. Heres some pics, i hope you like it.
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Looks good, have you got any sound files uploaded so we hear how load it is :typing[1]: