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GBX 01-06-10 10:59

Tenere Oil Splutters from exhaust / back fireing issue?
 
Hi there again guys, another newby question about the yamaha tenere 660, i noticed i get alot of oil splutters around the tail pipe of the exhaust, that i am cleaning off daily (see pic below) i am wandering if this is normal with the tenere or...?
http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/5255/p0106100947.jpg
also i noticed i seems to back fire alot to when changing down gears / slowing down from speeds, is this sound normal?
- Thanks in advance :)

bonjo 01-06-10 11:20

don't have a Z but from the picture, it all looks wrong.
You can expect some carbon deposit inside the pipe which you can just about see if you run your finger inside.
I would 1st check to make sure you haven't overfilled the engine with oil.
Next would be to check for oil leaks just in case it gets sprayed onto you exhaust
Popping on over runs is normal & normally caused by the PAIR system.
I assume you run the standard bike with no mods

A7 UFO 01-06-10 11:27

looks normal to me. All exhausts do this, it's just that you notice it on the tenere due to the recess around the pipe.

Zeph 01-06-10 11:27

Mine does exactly the same. I presume it's the same thing you get with cars when you start them up and get water plus soot sprayed out the end of the exhaust. My bike did it when it was in standard trim and is exactly the same with a DNA stage 1 and 2 and the "Kev" mod set full on.
Maybe we should both try wipping the deposits off once the engine is hot and see if any more arrives. That would confirm the cold start water spray theory.

GBX 01-06-10 11:28

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Originally Posted by bonjo (Post 129982)
don't have a Z but from the picture, it all looks wrong.
You can expect some carbon deposit inside the pipe which you can just about see if you run your finger inside.
I would 1st check to make sure you haven't overfilled the engine with oil.
Next would be to check for oil leaks just in case it gets sprayed onto you exhaust
Popping on over runs is normal & normally caused by the PAIR system.
I assume you run the standard bike with no mods

Thanks bonjo, yes the bike is 100% standard, and has no leaks, it just went through its first service, i guess the mechanic may had over filled the engine oil i am not sure, i will have to have a look in the manual and see how to check the levels it should be at correctly, thanks for your input again, muchly appreciated :)

GBX 01-06-10 11:30

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Originally Posted by Zeph (Post 129984)
Mine does exactly the same. I presume it's the same thing you get with cars when you start them up and get water plus soot sprayed out the end of the exhaust. My bike did it when it was in standard trim and is exactly the same with a DNA stage 1 and 2 and the "Kev" mod set full on.
Maybe we should both try wipping the deposits off once the engine is hot and see if any more arrives. That would confirm the cold start water spray theory.

good idea, i will try that and keep you updated! cheers!!

GBX 01-06-10 11:33

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Originally Posted by A7 UFO (Post 129983)
looks normal to me. All exhausts do this, it's just that you notice it on the tenere due to the recess around the pipe.

thanks A7 UFO, as long as you are sure of this then it puts me at rest! hehe thx again :)

A7 UFO 01-06-10 11:38

yes, I'm sure. The exhaust fills with condensation when cold so that's why you always get water and clouds of steam until it warms up.

tripletom 01-06-10 11:49

Yup mine does it too, no problems from it in 14,000 miles.

GBX 01-06-10 11:58

thanks for the reply guys, very helpful!
you have put me at ease knowing its the same with you guys, thanks so much :)

bonjo 01-06-10 12:16

If the black dots are from inside the engine, then I am afraid I have to disagree. It is not normal.
Maybe for the Z (which I don't have), it is normal but my previous & current bikes don't do it.
My experience is that garages then to overfill with oil.
On the other hand, condensation from the exhaust (cold start) is normal.
I run my XTR oil level at 3/4 up the dip stick max level

cca 01-06-10 15:28

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Originally Posted by bonjo (Post 129994)
If the black dots are from inside the engine, then I am afraid I have to disagree. It is not normal.
Maybe for the Z (which I don't have), it is normal but my previous & current bikes don't do it.
My experience is that garages then to overfill with oil.
On the other hand, condensation from the exhaust (cold start) is normal.
I run my XTR oil level at 3/4 up the dip stick max level

My R is clean. Overfill? I am not sure. Cat is there?!
And 3/4 is just fine.

uncle ricky 01-06-10 17:35

Its normal, hold a piece of white paper up to any exhaust and that is what you will see, it just shows up on the silver cover on the ten

GBX 01-06-10 17:41

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Originally Posted by uncle ricky (Post 130022)
Its normal, hold a piece of white paper up to any exhaust and that is what you will see, it just shows up on the silver cover on the ten

thanks uncle ricky, i appreciate that! i am sure i will soon get bored of cleaning the splatters off the exhaust cover and have to order a new aftermarket exhaust to save me hours of cleaning the splatters off and hard, hard graft :P (good escuse anyways, i'll try it with the missus!)

thanks again :)

bonjo 01-06-10 17:59

could it be the common tar speckles one that gets thrown up by the wheels deposited somewhere on the bike depending on its bodywork; which in the case of Z collects on the silencer?
CCA mentioned the CAT I presume he thought this would stop solid oil from getting through.
question & possible answers:
-if the black spots smear or easily be removed,then it most prob engine oil
-if hard (with cold exhaust) then most probably road tar

A7 UFO 01-06-10 18:01

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Originally Posted by GBX (Post 130023)
i'll try it with the missus!)

you clean the splatters off your missus as well? Mine cleans herself up.

glenwatt 01-06-10 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBX (Post 130023)
and have to order a new aftermarket exhaust to save me hours of cleaning the splatters off and hard, hard graft :P (good escuse anyways, i'll try it with the missus!)

thanks again :)

Good man, let me know if it works and I may try the same.

Deposits look normal to me, mine and my friend's are the same.
I did keep an eye on on the oil level when I first noticed it just in case.

GBX 01-06-10 18:06

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Originally Posted by A7 UFO (Post 130026)
you clean the splatters off your missus as well? Mine cleans herself up.

gone are them days of leaving splatters i am afraid, she changed her exhaust a long time ago... sad story =[

GBX 01-06-10 18:11

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Originally Posted by glenwatt (Post 130027)
Good man, let me know if it works and I may try the same.

Deposits look normal to me, mine and my friend's are the same.
I did keep an eye on on the oil level when I first noticed it just in case.

certainly will do glenwatt, from what i read it just seems normal with the tenere as yamaha made the casing for the exhaust stick out a little further than the actual tail pipe, and it collects the crap form the exhaust... so it seems.

Markymark 01-06-10 18:19

Mine same - not worried.

uncle ricky 01-06-10 18:48

If it really bugs you then just spray the silver black, problem hidden

zOU 01-06-10 19:16

mine does that still after 25k km.. I've never bothered to clean the plastic recesses :p

tripletom 01-06-10 19:48

Also, it's not actually the oil, it's due to the mixture of the engine, and I suspect is linked to the AIS. On a carb'd bike a heavy black soot would indicate a rich mixture, on the Ten with it's air injection I suspect that as the mixture ignites on a closed throttle (the popping and banging) you get the increase in soot production. As the Ten has the silver surrounds, it simply shows up more.

stumpydave 01-06-10 21:16

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Originally Posted by tripletom (Post 130041)
Also, it's not actually the oil, it's due to the mixture of the engine, and I suspect is linked to the AIS. On a carb'd bike a heavy black soot would indicate a rich mixture, on the Ten with it's air injection I suspect that as the mixture ignites on a closed throttle (the popping and banging) you get the increase in soot production. As the Ten has the silver surrounds, it simply shows up more.

I think tom has the correct explanation.



To sum it up, "it'll be reet, get out n ride the ass of it instead of cleaning it"

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GBX 02-06-10 08:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumpydave (Post 130050)
I think tom has the correct explanation.



To sum it up, "it'll be reet, get out n ride the ass of it instead of cleaning it"


agreed!! hehe! thanks again guys!


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