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Kev 13-12-09 11:55

Service your steering head bearings
 
My bike is now 2 years old at the end on this month so a little more maintance needed.

How to service you streering head bearings in place.

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Undo the lock nut first.

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My bearing were still very good after 2 years buy a little short in grease. You need to inspect each bearing for damage & pitting. If needed wash then out with degrease or petrol, blow them dry then regrease them. If there are any signs of pitting or flat spots they will need to be replaced.

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The grease should be forced behind the the rollers so it is well greased.

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Clean both the top & bottom seals & apply a small film of grease.

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Fit back the nuts & tighten the bottom one up just until it stops turning with a little resistance, turn the wheel left then right & recheck the nut tension.

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Once you think to have the adjustment is right move the wheel left then right, then feel for free play by grabbing the fork legs & move them back wards & forwards, there should be no free play. If the adjustment is correct the wheel should fall from the center position to either side.

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CaptMoto 13-12-09 12:06

Nice job, Kev another great addition to your recipee of maintance tips.

And for those who haven't heard about this yet, Kev has compiled a huge list of maintenance procedures in his new "blockbuster" CD-ROM containing all possible procedures to maintain your bike from easy tips on tricking the fuelling surging, or changing your sprockets and chain up to complicate engine removal and much more, it's a fantastic usable guide which can help anyone from beginners to advanced mechanics. You can find this CD-ROM available for sale on our website here http://www.xt660.com/site/node/325 or just PM Kev directly for your copy.

dazmatic 13-12-09 12:20

General rule of thumb... when packing any bearing with grease... 2/3rds full. Gives plenty of lube with space to expand when it gets warm.

That includes all radial ball, angular contact ball, roller, angular contact roller and needle bearings too I believe.

Just for those who didn't know :hcrap:

Kev 13-12-09 22:29

Being tapered roller bearings with only one seal on one of the side of the bearings, if you over greases these bearings the excess grease will be displace through the bearing opposite the seal into the sealed steering head area.

dazmatic 14-12-09 09:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kev (Post 114120)
Being tapered roller bearings with only one seal on one of the side of the bearings, if you over greases these bearings the excess grease will be displace through the bearing opposite the seal into the sealed steering head area.


Yup!

Most of the bearings we use at work are usually in a sealed area, not sealed themselves. Things like this don't matter too much so long as there is grease there.

Not like their going to spin at 70mph! :hcrap:

cca 19-12-09 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazmatic (Post 114087)
General rule of thumb... when packing any bearing with grease... 2/3rds full. Gives plenty of lube with space to expand when it gets warm.

That includes all radial ball, angular contact ball, roller, angular contact roller and needle bearings too I believe.

Just for those who didn't know :hcrap:

1/3rd is enough. Manufacturer's recommendation. I have changed my bearings after 2 years. Lower one was gone. Black and rusty. Unbelievable.

dazmatic 19-12-09 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by cca (Post 114588)
1/3rd is enough. Manufacturer's recommendation. I have changed my bearings after 2 years. Lower one was gone. Black and rusty. Unbelievable.

When I did my bearings course a few months ago, they told me no more than 2/3rds.


The problem being with a bearing is because of the tight tolerances they're likely to sqeeze grease out from between rollers/balls so they taught us that 2/3rds was enough to keep plenty of grease between faces prevent loss of lubrication from not having enough. At the same time is doesn't hydraulically lock...
That bearings shouldn't be removed from the packaging untill they're to be fitted... to not clean the oil off them they come in (unless its an lub oil bearing of which we have a fair amount of on plant!)

etc...

Different teachings I guess!


:BaseballHat_LNY2EG:

dazmatic 19-12-09 10:03

Also...

Do not use WD40 on bearings or chains either...

Might say its a lubricant, which it is, however, its also a degreasant! I've seen o-ring chains that have been lubricated with WD-40 and its seeped in past the o-rings and displaced the grease in the rollers!

It's great for cleaning however!

And for burning as it smells great :pjrlaugh_61OD3G::pjrlaugh_61OD3G:

zeiss11 21-08-11 22:00

Hi there.
My ten has reached 20k kms, so I�ve decided to service the steering head on my own, and thus it'll be the first time I�m doing it.
1) I'm looking for an adaptor to attach a torque wrench to the toolkit�s steering/ring? nut wrench. Do you think I should use a torque wrench or not?
2) A second special tool is also needed: a ring/steering? nut wrench. I gather they are both c type spanners. Is there any significant difference between a ring and a steering nut wrench?
Thanks.

chester0_1972 22-08-11 07:54

Good step by step guide there. Did this on my drz this spring as the steering had got notchy. There was ****** all grease in there so no wonder it felt horrible. Once I'd done it it was so much better.

Kev 22-08-11 11:17

[quote=zeiss11;160819]Hi there.
My ten has reached 20k kms, so I‘ve decided to service the steering head on my own, and thus it'll be the first time I’m doing it.
1) I'm looking for an adaptor to attach a torque wrench to the toolkit’s steering/ring? nut wrench. Do you think I should use a torque wrench or not? I have never used a torque wrench to set the preload on the steering head bearings & have never had any problems. The correct way is to use the tools mentioned, if a person does not have the skills to feel the correct preload then you need to get the correct tools or get a mechanic to set the preload for you. AS you have done this job before, I don't see why you can't do it correctly again.
2) A second special tool is also needed: a ring/steering? nut wrench. I gather they are both c type spanners. Is there any significant difference between a ring and a steering nut wrench?
Thanks. The C spanners are used to lock & unlock the steering head nuts & to keep the correct preload on the bearings when the nuts are been locked up, the wrench tool is use to set the preload.

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 22-08-11 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeiss11 (Post 160819)
2) A second special tool is also needed: a ring/steering? nut wrench. I gather they are both c type spanners. .

For information, this ->

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FZ6-FAZER-...item45fc7407da

fits the nuts for the steering head.

I wasn't sure how tight to take it, so I purchased the socket and set in accordance with the manual. OK so it's �25ish to the door but at least I know now how tight the nuts go.

It's a very well made tool, the guy was also very helpfull in identifying the right one to fit the Tenere.

aps 22-08-11 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeiss11 (Post 160819)
Hi there.
My ten has reached 20k kms, so I�ve decided to service the steering head on my own, and thus it'll be the first time I�m doing it.
1) I'm looking for an adaptor to attach a torque wrench to the toolkit�s steering/ring? nut wrench. Do you think I should use a torque wrench or not?
2) A second special tool is also needed: a ring/steering? nut wrench. I gather they are both c type spanners. Is there any significant difference between a ring and a steering nut wrench?
Thanks.

Maybe this will help in addition to Kev guide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQHu3t-0QEA

cca 22-08-11 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gas_Up_Lets_Go (Post 160835)
For information, this ->

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FZ6-FAZER-...item45fc7407da

fits the nuts for the steering head.

I wasn't sure how tight to take it, so I purchased the socket and set in accordance with the manual. OK so it's �25ish to the door but at least I know now how tight the nuts go.

It's a very well made tool, the guy was also very helpfull in identifying the right one to fit the Tenere.

With that one, I would apply 10Nm preload insteed of 7Nm (because of the different measurement point than original yamaha tool for that nut). It is just my assumption.

zeiss11 22-08-11 17:12

@Kev: No, I haven't done this procedure before. It's the first time I am attempting to do this job by myself. (Forgive me for my bad grammar).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gas_Up_Lets_Go (Post 160835)
For information, this ->
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FZ6-FAZER-...item45fc7407da
fits the nuts for the steering head.

This is the tool I was searching for. Thanks a lot. (btw the guy's name is Kev. Any relation with xt660's Kev? :) )

@aps: Very informative video. Cheers

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 22-08-11 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by cca (Post 160844)
With that one, I would apply 10Nm preload insteed of 7Nm (because of the different measurement point than original yamaha tool for that nut). It is just my assumption.

There is a calculation to work this out, I'm sure someone will post this pretty soon.......:offtheair:

zeiss11 22-08-11 17:52

@cca

Have you used this formula?
D=C multiplied by (A+B divided by A)

A = length of torque wrench
B = length of adapter
C = torque wrench setting (7Nm)
D = desired torque at end of extension

Kev 22-08-11 23:17

Go to the Flee markets & buy a used deap socket then cut the castle nut out of the used socket using a hacksaw so it can fit the steering head nut, this will be far cheaper than a 22 pound special tool.

cca 23-08-11 00:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeiss11 (Post 160847)
@cca

Have you used this formula?
D=C multiplied by (A+B divided by A)

A = length of torque wrench
B = length of adapter
C = torque wrench setting (7Nm)
D = desired torque at end of extension

No, mathematics is almost SF for me.
I have used some spanners from/for bicycle in combination with torque wrench .

two wheels 03 25-11-11 22:20

Two bikes running
 
Hi Kev,

I used this post when I prep'd our bikes pre departure on our Round the world trip. I find myself back here while in Baja 12,000 miles later - reminding myself how to do it. Thanks

Paul
www.twobikesrunning.co.uk

Kev 26-11-11 09:39

I check your web page everytime you Email me with updates, you guys have covered some ground.
:WellDone_OROQR1: http://www.twobikesrunning.co.uk/

Crosshair 19-06-12 21:49

My Z had developed a horrible turn-in sensation as if the steering was sticking, then suddenly freeing mid-corner.
Followed this tutorial and the bearings were fine but covered in slimy, rusty old gunk that was once grease.
Took it for a quick spin after and its cured! This place is such a big help :)


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