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hammerhead 30-05-09 21:55

vibration
 
i am getting vibration around 3500 revs. the only mods i have done is a taller puig screen and some touratech handguards have checked all fixings. anyone with a similar setup also having problems.

dallas 31-05-09 07:25

Nope, I also got the TT handguards, but only got some resonance from the dash/cockpit between 3500-4000rpm(and only when fully fueled up!). Otherwise it's smooth like a baby's butt! And that for a thumper, great job Yamaha.
Greetz, Hans.

ukiboy 31-05-09 21:53

Are the vibes 'unusual' or just ones that come with the territory of riding a big single?
The Ten is the first big thumper i've owned and at first i didn't think it was normal! Got used to it a bit now although i took my friends zzr1400 out yesterday for a spin, wow, what a piece of work it was..
I find that the really intrusive vibes chime in at about 4.5 - 5k rpm.

hammerhead 31-05-09 23:20

uki boy have you been out riding round guildford area?

also with tt handguards did you still use standard bar end weights?

ukiboy 01-06-09 10:38

Hammerhead - not guilty i'm afraid! I tend to use the Ten for commuting mainly so i'm found trawling from north london enfield area down towards parliament area (and no, i'm not an MP! :angryfire:)

deiaccord 01-06-09 15:24

Vibrations do get a lot less with age, and keeping the heavy bar-ends does make a difference.

Personally I can cruise at 5.5-6k rpm and hardly notice the vibration (13k miles on the clock however). I used to get a load of extra vibes around 4k rpm but that went by about 4,000 miles. Seemed to smooth out again arount 9,000 miles.

I'd say wind buffeting is far more an issue, and then only really at high speeds (for me anyway)

Wayne 06-06-09 20:46

Vibrations (of the bad kind)
 
Hammerhead, I have exactly the same setup, with the taller Puig screen and Touratech hand guards. I have tried a few different ways to replace the 450 gram bar end weights as without them, I found that the resonance at 4000 to 4500 rpm turned my hands numb after around 300km.
I really like the TT guards and they are very neatly engineered with the small aluminum adapters for the end of the bars, and I did not want to have to loose them. So, after some experimentation I was able to keep them and re-fit the original end-weights.
In the attached photos you will see that I moved the levers (clutch and brake) inward about 7mm and I used a 16mm diameter washer in the end of the bar for about 1.2mm extra clearance. The result is that the levers still clear everything, the TT guards still clear the Puig screen at full lock and my hands no longer go numb and almost drop off!
Just one more small adjustment to make and that is to clear a little bit of plastic with a dremel where the original end weights screw through the guards and into the end of the bars, this will make it fit nice and flush for that "factory", look, just add a drop of thread lock and we are done!

Wayne 06-06-09 20:50

Vibrations (of the bad kind)
 
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Sorry, I lost the attached files somehow - well I will try again.

hammerhead 07-06-09 23:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne (Post 96982)
Sorry, I lost the attached files somehow - well I will try again.

hi there. just noticed your reply and pics cheers for input will refit end weights

Brewers Whoop 08-06-09 09:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne (Post 96981)
In the attached photos you will see that I moved the levers (clutch and brake) inward about 7mm and I used a 16mm diameter washer in the end of the bar for about 1.2mm extra clearance. The result is that the levers still clear everything, the TT guards still clear the Puig screen at full lock and my hands no longer go numb and almost drop off!
Just one more small adjustment to make and that is to clear a little bit of plastic with a dremel where the original end weights screw through the guards and into the end of the bars, this will make it fit nice and flush for that "factory", look, just add a drop of thread lock and we are done!

Nice job, Wayne. I'll be doing that if my TT handguards ever arrive :angry3:

scottnet 08-06-09 17:03

Double check all your engine bolts are torqued up correctly. That made a big difference to mine

hammerhead 08-06-09 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottnet (Post 97169)
Double check all your engine bolts are torqued up correctly. That made a big difference to mine

could you be a bit specific as to which bolts you tightened. the vibration i experience is excesive i find it hard to believe its all to do with handlebar end weight. how bad was your vibration?

sworks 09-06-09 11:31

Check your chain tension as well.
I think that this has been covered before on here, but it really does make a huge difference to the way the bike rides and the amount of vibration felt through the whole bike.

My dealer wrongly adjusted my chain at the 600m service and it was way too tight,took me a little while to work out why the bike had changed so much especially on the motorway at higher RPM.

ukiboy 09-06-09 19:02

I'd second what sworks says.. When i first got the bike i thought the chain was far too loose and tightened it up a bit only to find that i needed to loosen it again after. When the bike is sat on its side stand the chain is so loose it looks abnormal but i believe thats the way it should be to allow for the massive suspension travel...

tenyamman 09-06-09 19:27

correct if i'm wrong but.......racers used to adjust the chain by doing an imaginary line from the centre of rear wheel thru suspension pivot and front sprocket centre. put some weight on bike 'the mrs and kids' and you should end up with about 1/2" of movement.

scottnet 09-06-09 20:20

Mine was the front engine bolt, that the engine gaurds mount on to . Just above where the oli drain plug is for the oil in the frame

tenyamman 09-06-09 20:33

what sort of torque should this be scottnet?
thanks in advance.
ps. it must be your trip soon. have a great time.

josephau 13-09-09 21:43

Vibrations update - Resolved!
 
For those few unfortunate ones like me who have the bike vibrate - or I should say 'shakes' - around 3.5k and 4.5k rpm, I believe I have found a solution after over a year and 16k km.

Before I hand the answer to you, just to recap:
- to me, the bike 'shakes' more than 'vibrates' at that rpm range, the most intrusive is when it's full tank. This happened since day 1 with stock handlebar and bar-end weights, and I told the dealer's chief mechanic who told me it's because of the plastic tank, and we all know it's BS.

- Hoping some improvements, I then changed to Magura handlebar and no bar-end weight, but hope was dashed and the 'shaking' remains. I'm convinced this is beyond the normal vibration from a single cylinder bike.

- I had succeeded once by turning all the screws on and near the handlebar areas to the torque level according to the repair manual, but could not find that sweet spot again after I changed something.

- It did get smoother with age, but it was still annoying, it really took out the fun.

- After I discovered the bashplate cracked at the bolt area, which I hoped it was the cause of the shaking, the dealer replaced with a new one, but the vibration or the 'shaking' got worse.

- I took it back to the dealer, had them compared to their test bike, and finally they agreed reluctantly that there was something wrong, and called the chief mechanic of Yamaha Germany in Stuttgart to come take a look.

- He looked, insisted the bike was fine, but did agree the 'vibration' was too much in that rpm range. So he asked my dealer to: 1) adjust the EFI, and 2) give me a new bar-end weight which is different from the stock. This bar-end weight allows a long screw go through (not thread through) and even attach to the acerbis handguard anchor inside the handlebar.

- The adjustment and the bar-end weight helped, but the 'shaking' is still noticeably there.

- Then I stumbled onto this: www.vibranator.com. Funny name, but I thought I would give it a try with USD70, afterall it claims it has technology from helicopters.

- I installed the vibranator without the bar-end weight as I thought if it works on a helicopter, I need no bar-end weight.

- This vibranator alone does two things: 1) it kills whatever resonance at any rpm range, and 2) it shifts the 'shaking' range to a bit higher range.

- I uninstalled it, and reinstalled it WITH the bar-end weights this time. Smooth!! I no longer know where the 'shaking' range is or if it exists anymore. I rev the bike from idle to 6-7k rpm and I notice no annoying 'shaking' or wild vibration for that matter. It still works at full tank too, which is the ultimate test. Now as if the bike gets a new life, and I find a new level of fun with it.

mudmover 14-09-09 11:20

Vibration
 
I think everybody's level of vibration differs......

The best way is to compare with other bikes...

On the weekend I was swapping over with my chum on his KTM990 2007
and upto 80Mph the Ten is far far smoother with less noticeable vibes.

Ofcourse if reving the bike past 5K then vibes become more of an issue.

My 09 XT is just so smooth........

The XT is a far more relaxing machine to ride than the KTM if you riding B roads or not in a rush.....

just my 5p worth!

Kev 14-09-09 23:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by josephau (Post 105489)
For those few unfortunate ones like me who have the bike vibrate - or I should say 'shakes' - around 3.5k and 4.5k rpm, I believe I have found a solution after over a year and 16k km.

Before I hand the answer to you, just to recap:
- to me, the bike 'shakes' more than 'vibrates' at that rpm range, the most intrusive is when it's full tank. This happened since day 1 with stock handlebar and bar-end weights, and I told the dealer's chief mechanic who told me it's because of the plastic tank, and we all know it's BS.

- Hoping some improvements, I then changed to Magura handlebar and no bar-end weight, but hope was dashed and the 'shaking' remains. I'm convinced this is beyond the normal vibration from a single cylinder bike.

- I had succeeded once by turning all the screws on and near the handlebar areas to the torque level according to the repair manual, but could not find that sweet spot again after I changed something.

- It did get smoother with age, but it was still annoying, it really took out the fun.

- After I discovered the bashplate cracked at the bolt area, which I hoped it was the cause of the shaking, the dealer replaced with a new one, but the vibration or the 'shaking' got worse.

- I took it back to the dealer, had them compared to their test bike, and finally they agreed reluctantly that there was something wrong, and called the chief mechanic of Yamaha Germany in Stuttgart to come take a look.

- He looked, insisted the bike was fine, but did agree the 'vibration' was too much in that rpm range. So he asked my dealer to: 1) adjust the EFI, and 2) give me a new bar-end weight which is different from the stock. This bar-end weight allows a long screw go through (not thread through) and even attach to the acerbis handguard anchor inside the handlebar.

- The adjustment and the bar-end weight helped, but the 'shaking' is still noticeably there.

- Then I stumbled onto this: www.vibranator.com. Funny name, but I thought I would give it a try with USD70, afterall it claims it has technology from helicopters.

- I installed the vibranator without the bar-end weight as I thought if it works on a helicopter, I need no bar-end weight.

- This vibranator alone does two things: 1) it kills whatever resonance at any rpm range, and 2) it shifts the 'shaking' range to a bit higher range.

- I uninstalled it, and reinstalled it WITH the bar-end weights this time. Smooth!! I no longer know where the 'shaking' range is or if it exists anymore. I rev the bike from idle to 6-7k rpm and I notice no annoying 'shaking' or wild vibration for that matter. It still works at full tank too, which is the ultimate test. Now as if the bike gets a new life, and I find a new level of fun with it.

Nice find, any chance of some detailed photo's for me. Just interested on how it works & what it is made of.

Found these on on the net, does it look like one of these ones?

http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=474298

http://xlforum.net/photopost/showfull.php?photo=42309

josephau 15-09-09 14:29

Well, there is not much to see really once it's installed. The pic below shows a different bar-end weight from stock provided by Yamaha. There is a hole in the middle to allow the screw to go all the way through, not threaded through though which I think would be better to give it a tighter fit. Admittedly, it's not the prettiest setup. I would like the bar-end weight inside the handguard, but oh well.

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...ah/photo-4.jpg

Here ( http://www.vibranator.com/ProductDet...D710%2DN%2D003) is the vibranator. Mine is slightly different as it is for use WITH the handguard. Mine doesn't have the rubber at the end. Instead, a threaded hole is at the end of the shorter cylinder, which allows a long screw go all the way from the bar-end weight, through the handguard anchor, and connect (loctite) to the vibranator. The vibranator has some weight, but not a whole lot. With the setup, the vibranator doesn't touch the inner wall of the handlebar. Hence, it allows the resonance from the vibration to dissipate, so it claims, and it works for me. Some bloggers even say it is better than Flexx handlebar, foam handgrips, and other products that claim the same thing. Best result still comes from the combination of both the bar-end weight and the vibranator IMHO.

dommiek 19-09-09 22:35

I've been experiencing horrendous vibrations on my Ten for the 4,000 miles I've covered (owned bike from new).
I had the Yamaha engine bars fitted on the first service and noticed after running it in very bad vibes, especially between about 4,300 to 4,800 rpm. The bars eventually cracked around the centre mounting plate (no surprise there) and I returned them to the shop and had a full refund. Since taking them off the bike has stopped vibrating and feels like a different bike; I can only assume the engine bars are/were the cause of the vibration.

gregor 14-11-09 14:52

Well I'm now suffering bad vibes after a session checking the valve clearances.Again I'm convinced this is down to a nut not torqued to its sweet spot as josephau puts it.As the tank and engine bars were removed I suspect it is one of their fixings to blame.

I've had this before with handlebar vibes and it was down to a combination of handlebar/bar brace position and tightness of the nuts in the end.Bloody annoying because it is really intrusive at 3500 to 5000 revs.

I've just torqued the front engine bar nut to the correct value hoping this is to blame, will test it when the monsoon subsides.

Incidentally my engine bars are still crack free after numerous drops offroad and using them as jacking points.The paint finish is abysmal though.

CaptMoto 14-11-09 15:00

Well guys, Kev has just designed a set of spacers weights to fit to your original handle bar, send Kev a pm as he is planning to sell them worldwide.

gregor 15-11-09 14:38

I've removed the engine bars and bash plate but the vibes are still present.

Once the tank is near empty I'll remove and remount it to see if that is the problem.

This is seriously giving me the hump after almost 13000 miles and daily use the vibes were never an issue, it now feels like the main bearings are going which they aren't of course.

I can't think what other cause there could be, any pointers appreciated chaps?

gregor 17-11-09 17:55

Well I've removed the tank and re-seated it but still no remedy to the harsh vibes.

I've posted in Ask Kev if anyone else is interested.

This has got me worried.

http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=12241

josephau 17-11-09 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregor (Post 111882)
Well I've removed the tank and re-seated it but still no remedy to the harsh vibes.

I've posted in Ask Kev if anyone else is interested.

This has got me worried.

http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=12241

Have you tried this: www.vibranator.com?

I had the same problems since new for over 16000km or 1.5 years, and I had done the re-torqueing of various nuts and bolts, then came across the above. I had to combine that with bar-end weights to give me the best result. Still it wasn't noticeable immediately after installation, it took about 100km or so for everything to settle in, and it does seem it works. Now it's the smoothest since I got the bike.

What also came to mind is my dealer did an adjustment to the injection and the exhaust. I am not very technical, but I believe it might have to do with the way the airflow/fuel injection relates to the engine performance. I suppose the purpose of a PC of smoothing out the engine has something to do with this vibration problem, instead my dealer has the equipment to do the modifications directly. Mind you, the result still wasn't great after such adjustment by the dealer. The best result I have is from the combo of vibranator and the bar-end weights. Hope it helps.

Jami 18-11-09 07:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by josephau (Post 105610)
Well, there is not much to see really once it's installed. The pic below shows a different bar-end weight from stock provided by Yamaha. There is a hole in the middle to allow the screw to go all the way through, not threaded through though which I think would be better to give it a tighter fit. Admittedly, it's not the prettiest setup. I would like the bar-end weight inside the handguard, but oh well.

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...ah/photo-4.jpg

Here ( http://www.vibranator.com/ProductDet...D710%2DN%2D003) is the vibranator. Mine is slightly different as it is for use WITH the handguard. Mine doesn't have the rubber at the end. Instead, a threaded hole is at the end of the shorter cylinder, which allows a long screw go all the way from the bar-end weight, through the handguard anchor, and connect (loctite) to the vibranator. The vibranator has some weight, but not a whole lot. With the setup, the vibranator doesn't touch the inner wall of the handlebar. Hence, it allows the resonance from the vibration to dissipate, so it claims, and it works for me. Some bloggers even say it is better than Flexx handlebar, foam handgrips, and other products that claim the same thing. Best result still comes from the combination of both the bar-end weight and the vibranator IMHO.

Hi josephau

Do you know who has made those bar weights? I would be interested in getting ones because I also have a Magura handlebar with Acerbis handguards so I can't use the original weights.

Jami

gregor 18-11-09 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by josephau (Post 111893)
Have you tried this: www.vibranator.com?

I had the same problems since new for over 16000km or 1.5 years, and I had done the re-torqueing of various nuts and bolts, then came across the above. I had to combine that with bar-end weights to give me the best result. Still it wasn't noticeable immediately after installation, it took about 100km or so for everything to settle in, and it does seem it works. Now it's the smoothest since I got the bike.

What also came to mind is my dealer did an adjustment to the injection and the exhaust. I am not very technical, but I believe it might have to do with the way the airflow/fuel injection relates to the engine performance. I suppose the purpose of a PC of smoothing out the engine has something to do with this vibration problem, instead my dealer has the equipment to do the modifications directly. Mind you, the result still wasn't great after such adjustment by the dealer. The best result I have is from the combo of vibranator and the bar-end weights. Hope it helps.

Thanks

Yes I have seen it.

Because my bike has been so smooth for the last 13000 miles the vibes are really noticeable and felt through the seat and footpegs as well and make the bike almost unrideable above 3500 revs .

GStry 18-11-09 19:27

My sons and I have had the same type of vibrations and have retorqued the engine mounting bolts with lock tight. Have double bolted mine where possible and it has improved the vibrations tremendously.

josephau 18-11-09 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jami (Post 111930)
Hi josephau

Do you know who has made those bar weights? I would be interested in getting ones because I also have a Magura handlebar with Acerbis handguards so I can't use the original weights.

Jami

It's from my yamaha dealership. If I did it all over again, I would get the barkbuster hand guards as they come with the bar end weights that go betwn the guards and the handlebar, not outside the bar like mine which is not the best looking.

Jami 19-11-09 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by josephau (Post 111991)
It's from my yamaha dealership. If I did it all over again, I would get the barkbuster hand guards as they come with the bar end weights that go betwn the guards and the handlebar, not outside the bar like mine which is not the best looking.

Yeah I got that but what's the brand?

Jami

murray 05-12-09 21:56

tenere vibrations!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hammerhead (Post 96256)
i am getting vibration around 3500 revs. the only mods i have done is a taller puig screen and some touratech handguards have checked all fixings. anyone with a similar setup also having problems.

"thirty five yrs on singles(racing for 22 of them) if you don't like the thump - grunt - and stonk i recommend a dl1000 v-strom

klonkie 14-12-09 12:42

I've found my bike picks up a very noticeable vibration at EXACTLY 114km/h (70.8m/h). Very weird. I don't have to look at the speedo, I just know when I'm at 114km/h. It's not the handlebars, it's the whole bike.

It's something I can get used to. But I was wondering if anybody else was having the same thing?

stuxtttr 15-12-09 13:09

klonkie, don't know what speed but there is always a noticible raise in vibration around 4k revs but keep throttling on past 5 k and this goes away and smiles also increase :happy11:

klonkie 15-12-09 15:14

Yeah I'm not too bothered about it. I just don't want to be ignoring a sign that something's wrong and ride the bike to death.

But if it's not an indiction of something wrong, I can't be happier with the bike :happy6:

madone 31-05-11 09:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by klonkie (Post 114156)
I've found my bike picks up a very noticeable vibration at EXACTLY 114km/h (70.8m/h). Very weird. I don't have to look at the speedo, I just know when I'm at 114km/h. It's not the handlebars, it's the whole bike.

It's something I can get used to. But I was wondering if anybody else was having the same thing?

Same here.. I have 660r though.

I have heavier bar ends, foam grips.. etc. and it's still so uncomfortable.

basically I cant go faster than 110 kmh or after 100km my hands will fall off.

Kev 31-05-11 09:39

This is what I did a few years back.

http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=12164


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